Hey, pennant guys

[Vintagedeputy]

I agree with Hank. That’s the one thing that people tend to forget (and I’m guilty too) about collectibles - There is no absolute when it comes to value. Value is a magical number decided upon between a seller and a buyer. Every seller and every buyer may come up with different numbers from sale to sale to sale, depending on any number of factors.

As a seller I have to decide what is my “let it go” price and a buyer has to decide what is their “buy price”. If we do not agree on a number hopefully we can find somewhere in between.

Here’s an example - Would I sell my car for a $1.00? No. Now, would I sell my car for $1 million? Yes. Now I have a value range. Would I sell for $500,000? For $100,000? Would I sell for $20,000?

People throw around comps and eBay sold prices and such, but these are numbers decided upon by other people for their items based on their comfort level in buying and selling. That’s not me.

To me it’s no different than when people ask me why would I send a $5 card in for grading? Who says it’s a $5 card? What does it matter to anyone else what my card is worth or what I choose to do with it?

[Duluth Eskimo]

I would agree on $1500 is fair, but if I had this for sale I think I would price it higher. It is a very tough pennant, it’s dated, and it’s very visually appealing. I don’t think 2-2500 is out of line. You also have to remember that the price on tough items 5 years ago has doubled in my opinion. The tough items that came to market over the last 20 years are completely gone now. If you really want it, and you can pick it up in this range, I say go for it.

[ooo-ribay]

I suspect it may even be better than the picture shows. It kind of looks like it’s in a soft sleeve inside of a rigid holder. Maybe not, but that would be an added bonus.

[thetahat]

To follow up on a recent discussion about picture pennants, ASCO seemed to make a 1969 version with and without the pic insert. I have seen the Mets and Orioles with and without, the Twins only without, and have never seen a Braves and don’t think it exists. (Mark?)

The team pic is glued to the back, with a window cut out for it, just like the Trenches.

[UKCardGuy]

Those are beauties Greg.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Originally Posted by thetahat

To follow up on a recent discussion about picture pennants, ASCO seemed to make a 1969 version with and without the pic insert. I have seen the Mets and Orioles with and without, the Twins only without, and have never seen a Braves and don’t think it exists. (Mark?)

The team pic is glued to the back, with a window cut out for it, just like the Trenches.

The Twins was only made without a photo. The dated version you have for the Twins is a difficult pennant, especially in good condition because of the fabric. There was only one game at Metropolitan Stadium and the Twins lost and the series was over. All of the unsold stock of Twins pennants, they snipped the 1969 off and sold them in 1970. That is why you oftentimes see the snipped one more often. The snipped ones were common for a while as there was a find, but they have all pretty much dried up and been absorbed in to collections.

I don't believe there was ever a Braves version made either with or without the photo. Atlanta was opposite end of the country from Minnesota and the Braves lost three straight and were gone.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

The Twins was only made without a photo. The dated version you have for the Twins is a difficult pennant, especially in good condition because of the fabric. There was only one game at Metropolitan Stadium and the Twins lost and the series was over. All of the unsold stock of Twins pennants, they snipped the 1969 off and sold them in 1970. That is why you oftentimes see the snipped one more often. The snipped ones were common for a while as there was a find, but they have all pretty much dried up and been absorbed in to collections.

I don't believe there was ever a Braves version made either with or without the photo. Atlanta was opposite end of the country from Minnesota and the Braves lost three straight and were gone.

So, the ‘70 Twins have a square tip? Actually no tip? I’d love to see a picture.

Even though those pennants are kind of basic and not all that old, I like ‘em. They have a unique look (and I love the groovy ‘69 font).

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

The Twins was only made without a photo. The dated version you have for the Twins is a difficult pennant, especially in good condition because of the fabric. There was only one game at Metropolitan Stadium and the Twins lost and the series was over. All of the unsold stock of Twins pennants, they snipped the 1969 off and sold them in 1970. That is why you oftentimes see the snipped one more often. The snipped ones were common for a while as there was a find, but they have all pretty much dried up and been absorbed in to collections.

I don't believe there was ever a Braves version made either with or without the photo. Atlanta was opposite end of the country from Minnesota and the Braves lost three straight and were gone.

That’s interesting, thanks for info. Rob, here’s a forked tip example to which Jason refers:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/30467328830...mis&media=COPY

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

That’s interesting, thanks for info. Rob, here’s a forked tip example to which Jason refers:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/30467328830...mis&media=COPY

Ingenious....I guess.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

I agree with Hank. That’s the one thing that people tend to forget (and I’m guilty too) about collectibles - There is no absolute when it comes to value. Value is a magical number decided upon between a seller and a buyer. Every seller and every buyer may come up with different numbers from sale to sale to sale, depending on any number of factors.

As a seller I have to decide what is my “let it go” price and a buyer has to decide what is there “buy price”. If we do not agree on a number hopefully we can find somewhere in between.

Here’s an example - Would I sell my car for a $1.00? No. Now, would I sell my car for $1 million? Yes. Now I have a value range. Would I sell for $500,000? For $100,000? Would I sell for $20,000?

People throw around comps and eBay sold prices and such, but these are numbers decided upon by other people for their items based on their comfort level in buying and selling. That’s not me.

To me it’s no different than when people ask me why would I send a $5 card in for grading? Who says it’s a $5 card? What does it matter to anyone else what my card is worth or what I choose to do with it?

Agreed.

But why would you send a $5 card in for grading?

Insert smiley face here.

Doug

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

Agreed.

But why would you send a $5 card in for grading?

Insert smiley face here.

Doug

I know you’re joking, but I’ll answer that. I’ll send it in because other people’s thoughts on value mean nothing to me. I don’t collect for money, I collect for enjoyment. If paying $15 to slab that perceived $5 card brings me joy, so be it.

[bocca001]

30+ years of Santa Clara collecting and I've never seen this pennant. A member of the Vintage Football Community (VFC) saw it (and the St. Mary's) in an Oklahoma antique mall and got them for me. The Santa Clara and St. Mary's almost certainly came from the same owner, who got them at the same game (and later ended up in Oklahoma). Santa Clara and St. Mary's were rivals, playing in the "Little Big Game" every year. It would just be too random to have them shown up side by side in an OK antique mall 80+ years later.

Pretty sure they are both Epstein. I've included a pic of a similar Colgate Epstein labeled pennant at the end (not mine).

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

30+ years of Santa Clara collecting and I've never seen this pennant. A member of the Vintage Football Community (VFC) saw it (and the St. Mary's) in an Oklahoma antique mall and got them for me. The Santa Clara and St. Mary's almost certainly came from the same owner, who got them at the same game (and later ended up in Oklahoma). Santa Clara and St. Mary's were rivals, playing in the "Little Big Game" every year. It would just be too random to have them shown up side by side in an OK antique mall 80+ years later.

Pretty sure they are both Epstein. I've included a pic of a similar Colgate Epstein labeled pennant at the end (not mine).

Very cool that someone snagged that for you. I wish I had eyes throughout the country!

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by bocca001

30+ years of Santa Clara collecting and I've never seen this pennant. A member of the Vintage Football Community (VFC) saw it (and the St. Mary's) in an Oklahoma antique mall and got them for me. The Santa Clara and St. Mary's almost certainly came from the same owner, who got them at the same game (and later ended up in Oklahoma). Santa Clara and St. Mary's were rivals, playing in the "Little Big Game" every year. It would just be too random to have them shown up side by side in an OK antique mall 80+ years later. Pretty sure they are both Epstein. I've included a pic of a similar Colgate Epstein labeled pennant at the end (not mine).

Terrific graphics on all those!

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Pretty sure they are both Epstein. I've included a pic of a similar Colgate Epstein labeled pennant at the end (not mine).

Marc: You're correct. I believe this was part of an offering I named the "kicked football series" offered by Epstein Novelty Co. during the 1940s and 1950s. For more, see https://pennantfactory.weebly.com/bl...ein-novelty-co

[vintagesportscollector]

Kyle, similar to your polychromatic ND pennant shown, this Cornell pennant was sold on eBay recently (although the detail is not as nice as the ND pennant). Not mine, but I know who won it. Likewise it is extremely rare, I’ve never seen another.

[bocca001]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Marc: You're correct. I believe this was part of an offering I named the "kicked football series" offered by Epstein Novelty Co. during the 1940s and 1950s. For more, see https://pennantfactory.weebly.com/bl...ein-novelty-co

Great info Domer, once again.

Here is my St. Mary's. Both of my kicked football series pennants (Santa Clara, St. Mary's) seem to be a bit higher quality than the typical football runner pennant now identified as Epstein. Perhaps they cost a bit more? I also can't help but notice how many different versions of the kicker there are given the small sample of pennants.

[Domer05]

Joe, that Cornell pennant is beautiful. Never seen it before--thanks for sharing.

Marc, who knew there were so many variations of the Epstein punter, kicking the football across the pennant? Even when they used the same punter, they still altered him ever so slightly to enable the school name to fit on the tail-end of the pennant.