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Could Caitlyn Clark compete with D1 men?
I am very late to the Caitlyn Clark story but now that I am paying attention... wow! If a single player can prop up a league/WNBA, she may have enough "it" to bring that league to the same level of fandom as she has for college hoops.
It go me wondering - could she be a competitive player on a D1 men's team? Put another way, I she at least better and more talented than the worst player on the worst NCAA tournament team? Again, I am very late to appreciate her greatness and am looking forward to watching her from this point on - but, could she make a mean's squad? With her shooting range, I would think it's not impossible even with her major size and weight/strength disadvantage. Thoughts??
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I'm going to guess the answer is no. The size, strength, and speed gap would be significant, and there'd be a learning curve as she adjusted to shooting a full-size basketball.
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Over full sized men!
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Not even against high school men
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It takes nothing at all away from her, but not a chance in the world. It's as much of a fantasy as the notion that Conor McGregor had a chance against Floyd Mayweather. She's not even a very good defender against women. She couldn't possibly cover a man.
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Of course not.
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Not a shot in hades, probably not even the local JV team.
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Serena Williams is the greatest tennis player of all time and lost to a tier 2 unranked college male player. Tennis is one that in theory would be even closer in skill male/female than basketball. Caitlyn is a great player but on a male D1 team would be very ugly and dangerous for her. Size and Strength would be way too much.
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This is the correct answer unquestionably.
It also is no knock on her, it is just genetics
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She could play in men’s lower college classifications. She can shoot 3’s with the best men. D1, no. D2, D3 absolutely IMO.
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I would think more than a few people had similar opinions about Muggsy Bogues, with his 5 foot 3 and 130 pound frame (Caitlin Clark is listed at six feet and 150 pounds).
If you're a world class athlete, there's a spot for you on a team. Do I think Caitlin Clark has the talent of Muggsy Bogues? No, but I think she should be discussed in terms of her talent and not her size. Players smaller than her have had success in the NBA but they had different skill sets and were better players. Last edited by packs; 03-25-2024 at 11:49 AM. |
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As far as Caitlyn going up against NBA men, she wouldn't stand a chance. It's not a knock on her, just a fact. |
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Seriously? I just find it hard to imagine that she isn't better than the worst D! men's player...
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I remember when everyone was getting on Brian Scalabrine's case for being the worst player in the NBA. He got challenged by a player on Syracuse to a game of one on one and absolutely torched him.
Even the worst player at an elite level is ridiculously good. |
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But my question had the bar much lower - is Caitlyn better than any D1 men's player? I still haven't taken the time to watch her play yet - looking forward to seeing her in tonight's game.
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Yep. Same concept with Caitlyn Clark here. Fantastic women’s NCAA player in her own right. Zero percent chance should would make a single D1 roster, much less play competitively with them.
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Well, I don't know. I think she's at least as good as some D1 players on active rosters right now. There are a lot of coaches kids on rosters at this level every year and she is a very talented basketball player. She wouldn't be who she is, or anywhere close to it. But I don't think she'd be lost out there against lower end schools.
I don't think she'd ever compete in the NBA or for a roster spot on legacy programs like Kentucky, North Carolina, etc. but they aren’t the only D1 schools. There are over 300 of them. Last edited by packs; 03-25-2024 at 01:45 PM. |
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Less than zero. She couldn't defend anyone, total non starter.
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I'm only saying I could see her on a roster somewhere in Division 1. There's ASU and there's the New Jersey Institute of Technology, which is also Division 1.
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Ah, my mistake. I knew they didn't play a complete match.
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Maybe on a roster---maybe, if there was a shortage of players or there was some non-athletic reason to have her there. However, I believe the last player on the bench of last-place Podunk U would give the mediocre Bobby Hurley Jr, a better game of one on one than would Caitlyn.
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Are you seriously saying you think she could defend against a Division 1 male player? Have you seen her?
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I don't think that would be her specialty, no. Do you not think she's an exceptionally talented basketball player?
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Of course. A phenomenal woman player. That doesn't make her a man. Not a sexist remark in any way, just fact. She doesn't have the strength or speed to play against skilled men at the D1 level. She'd be a huge liability on defense, and would not get open enough on offense to score many points at all.
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I don't disagree. She's not "the one". I don't think she'd be anything if she did make a Division 1 roster as a bench player. But I could see it happening.
Leilani Armenta kicked for Division 1 Jackson State last year. A lot of people might not have thought a woman would score a point in a Division 1 football game either. Last edited by packs; 03-25-2024 at 05:22 PM. |
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Fun to watch though...the Womens' game has improved by leaps and bounds.
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I remember the USWMT soccer team played a high school team maybe 15 years ago. The HS team was I think a select team for the local MLS team (Chicago Fire Juniors?). That HS team's players would have mostly played Division II. The boys won, but the women were competitive, so I think some of the women could have played NCAA men's soccer. Clark would need to change her game, but I think she could earn a roster spot and some playing time on a college men's team. Sent from my SM-S906U using Tapatalk |
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Soccer
The US women’s national soccer team lost an exhibition game to an Under 15 year old boys team representing just the Dallas area 5-2. Quote was they were “ bigger, stronger, faster” .
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There is less space on a basketball court relative to a soccer pitch, so quickness and leaping ability in basketball is more important than pure straight line speed, and contact takes place more frequently and is harder to shake. These factors probably accentuate the female disadvantage even more in basketball. I would take the argument further and say that Caitlyn Clark would struggle 1v1 against the starting, varsity boys shooting guard at any American public high school with an enrollment of more than 1500. |
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I'll never understand this obsession with women being a part of men's sports, we fought for 50 years so women could have their own space, title 9 anyone? Women aren't men and men aren't women.
The bigger concern is biological men invading women's spaces now, imho. |
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Excellent Kinks knowledge Mr Spaeth.
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1972 maybe? It was so outrageous for its time. "Well I'm not dumb but I can't understand why she walked like a woman but talked like a man." LOL and they played it too.
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Ehhhh. He does come down the court with the rest of the team but I have never seen him without help deter an opponent from taking a direct path to the basket. On occasion he will wave his arms a bit, maybe that's what you are thinking of.
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He also led the league in turnovers two years in a row. But nobody would say Trae Young isn't a great player. Which is why I agree that a knock on someone's defense isn't a real road block. There are so many other things that can be discussed in place of it.
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Comparing a weak defender (conceded, at least so far) to a woman trying to defend a man is not IMO a useful analogy.
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I don't know why so much is made of that scrimmage. It wasn't played under any real game condition at all and it was merely a practice for the women's team in anticipation of playing an international friendly, which I'm sure is where the effort went.
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The physical differences between him and other NBA players do not even begin to compare to the relevant physical differences between Clark and any male player. I can't believe we're even having this discussion.
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Yeah I am sure the women lost because they toned down their game.
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I can. When human biology conflicts with ideology or what one would like to be true, we know which one gets tossed aside .
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There's no way to know for sure. So much of a team sport depends on the team. I do think it would be very challenging.
But, while figuring out a reply, I looked up something. My college was... Small. I wouldn't think we were D anything. Our basketball team played Bridgeport while Manute Bol was there. And lost but didn't get blown out. I was very surprised to learn Bridgeport is D2. The reason I looked? I would play occasionally when some guys that played in the parking lot around lunchtime would ask. My basketball skills can be described as somewhere between "Awful" and "F_ atrocious" I did not make my HS team when I tried out. I played one season of rec league, and my stat "line" for 0for I think 2, two fouls committed (One I still disagree with ) and led the league in shots hitting the beams in the low ceiling 2! Why they put the little kids up in the real gym and the high school age kids in the little kid gym downstairs.... anyway, those two shots might have missed anyway, although I was ok from what would now be 3 pt distance. I was obviously only filling a space until someone got back from class, but oddly, I never felt seriously outclassed. I found out that bunch of guys was our basketball team - and that we even had a team- when they were talking in the lunch line about playing against Bol. The game had changed a lot, and my school got absorbed into the CT community college system, Do I think an excellent female Player might make the roster on a D1 team. I'm not sure. The right player on the right team with the right coach.... maybe. Theres certainly stuff that they would have to game plan around. And it might not work out. But I don't think I could rule it out completely. |
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