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1990 Bowman Art Sweepstakes
Does anyone own any of the lithographs advertised on the bottom of my box?
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bump, still looking for info
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I personally do not own any as it’s a little outside my window of collecting but I have seen them pop up fairly regularly.
They are 11”x 17” as I remember. Were you looking for a specific litho? Adding the checklist, I figured TCDB would have it - https://www.tcdb.com/Checklist.cfm/sid/402004
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Took a couple minutes to find one, this seems a little overpriced. I feel like these go in the 25-30 dollar window.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/33516347677...Bk9SR87Ej8jaYw
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Also, the usual junk wax issue of multiple runs of everything. They did 500 of the run advertised, which created 5500 prints. Then in true Topps fashion they created other “hobby sample” runs to water the initial run down by at least double. You can find many for sale for hundreds, but you won’t find many sold over twenty bucks. At my estimate of 25-30, I was giving the listing a premium because it was in the initial run and I feel that is a better example to have. Samples https://www.ebay.com/itm/23550138661...Bk9SR-Dr16fbYw https://www.ebay.com/itm/14512263693...Bk9SR-Dr16fbYw
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I'm going to begin this by saying I was the one who actually priced these for the Beckett price guide/Alamanc back in the day. So, I wanted to see how good my instincts were on the price. After doing a little research and seeing what exampled you pulled I feel just as comfortable as saying the Yount is probably too cheap at that price
I will also state it's been about 20-25 years since I came up with those prices. I do understand the little demand issue but there has to be a premium for HOFers as Yount as compared to Dwight Gooden (much as I loved watching him pitch for the Mets in 80s as I was living in the NY area) and Jerome (one year wonder) Walton. So if the $20 pricing is accurate for those players and I don't see any reason why not since I priced those players at $25 back in the day. Then Yount as a HOFer has to be a higher price and I'll use a 2x from the common price so my instinct was a tad high but not super high. Also looking at your examples I can see you are not considering the shipping cost of the item. It appers the cheapest shipping is about $6 for the item. And yes, if I had one for sale, I would be $50-60 OBO on Ebay for that Yount item Rich
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If the Yount was a bargain at $50, it would not be sitting unsold.
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When did I say it was a bargain? I said that's the price IMHO it should be offered for. Now a bargain is like $15 DLVD
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I mean I don't know a meaningful difference between considering it too cheap and a bargain. Those mean the same thing.
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I'm not sure how "too cheap as an offer to sell" or "retail price" changes it. The great thing about sold and unsold listings is it gives us real, actual data instead of something made up by a price guide. If something is listed correctly and publicly called out, it will sell very very quickly if it is priced too low. Nobody is biting on the Yount. Thus, it is probably worth less than the $50+$12 price. If $50+$12 was too cheap as an offer to sell, wouldn't it sell? |
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Also, I find the attached paperwork very interesting and of some additional value in itself.
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Actual sales tell us approximate value. Items that just sit and do not sell but are listed correctly in normal places are not really bargains. This really is not complicated. |
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As I am a bottom feeder going though dime,quarter, dollar boxes at shows I can assure you some amazing cards get passed over. And then when you have an obscure item then it's even harder for the right person to find the right item, But one other thing I will also state; Robin Yount as a HOFer is definitely a 2x or more to Jerome Walton. Rich
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Actual sales data is a whole lot better than this appeal to... I don't even know. There's nothing being used to set this value you want besides that you want that to be the value. |
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What I do know is that there very well may be a handful of Yount collectors who have no idea that this exists or any urgency to obtain it. But once they do, and they shop around and see just one example available online and its $50, they may not pause to purchase it. Just because some flipper (who also happens to be a Yount collector) hasn't attempted to do so does not negate this point. You are correct too, in that a lack of sales data on this item means a lack of ability to properly say what it is "worth."
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More importantly, does anyone know who the artist signature is from? Were all the images painted by the same artist in the set?
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He is a trade artist and not well known to me. He was likely just hired by Topps as he is a portrait artist for the task.
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Really love this conversation. I wish the checklist had been a bit more elite, though. No one I'm interested in is included. The artist prints are interesting. Thanks for everyone who chimed in.
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Looking at the checklist. Topps picked 5 of the biggest names in the game at the time and Yount/Mitchell were included as MVPs, Saberhagen/Davis were included as Cy Young award winners and Olson/Walton were included as ROY's
And that's why the checklist has some non elite status as only Yount finished with a great career of those 6 players We can discuss if they got the 5 biggest names going into the 1990 season correct but that was Topps logic as much as I can deduce. But looking at the other 5 I think with hindsight they had a pretty good clue as to whom they chose in that group. Rich
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Anyway, I still think the artists proof is a cool junk wax idea. Sent from my SM-G9900 using Tapatalk
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Could you have subbed someone for Dwwight Gooden or Don Mattingly? Probably but remember Topps was a NY based company and those were the key figures in baseball for NY and frankly for other parts of the country As you pointed out Will Clark was considered by some at that time the best player in BB and had just played in a WS and Nolan Ryan became a legend in 1989 But, as I pointed out, Topps logic may not be the logic someone else used so your comments especially about Big Mac (remember Canseco was hurt and missed much of 89) is relevent. Griffey -- well yes in retrospect but he was not ROY and while we all thought he was going to be great, there were already 2 1989 rookies in an 11 card set I will also point out that my verbiage there was quite clear that we can and should hve different feelings about who should have been in this set
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Would have loved to seen a Wade Boggs in there and Kirby Puckett was also huge then.
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There's quite a few Boggs lithos of the time from sports artists. I always thought the artist signed and player autoed Boggs/Gwynn lithographs looked good for a man cave.
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I just want to see a Boggs in most things. I have never collected baseball lithos. I did get an email from a fellow member with this Boggs drawing attached a couple days ago and it is by far my favorite Wade Boggs drawing.
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Excellent!
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He once asked me to take an unfinished painting of Mantle and DiMaggio to a card show in San Jose where they were appearing. They both signed without an issue. (The good ol' days.) He moved to New Hampshire many years ago and opened an art studio/gallery for his work and where he works with young artists to help them improve their talent. This is a link to his website. If you enjoy seeing some outstanding portraits/landscapes, etc, it's worth a look. (And no, I have no conflicts of interest in sharing this information.) https://pursleyart.com/ This second link will take you to his biography and includes a lot of the sports work he did. https://pursleyart.com/blogs/craig-p...e-as-an-artist Last edited by ocjack; 04-17-2024 at 06:28 PM. |
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I recently came across a picture of me having one of Craig Pursley's Mantle/DiMaggio paintings signed. In retrospect, it's a wonder both signed graciously.
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A little late, but just found my set of 11 Pursley prints. Signed by the artist, matched set of number 300 of 500. I bought them from the artist and they had already been matted, a copy of the baseball card added and shrinkwrapped. I wonder what else I have that I can't find.
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Those are pretty awesome; thanks for posting them.
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+1 those are awesome.
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