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*I agree. That cabinet is cool. I always like this kind of pose of Kelly...
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I don't want to burst any bubbles, but it looks like a photo (possibly albumen?) of an already existing hanging framed photo, which was then trimmed and pasted to a photo studio mount.
Couldn't say exactly when it was made, but I'd guess late 1910's to early 1920's. Still pretty cool, but I sense it's a really old (hopefully), fantasy piece. |
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A fantasy piece was my first thought as well. It just looks...off.
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I guess I should have said cool, if real. It is kind of shiny. First thing I thought of was a Ramly.
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But, since I'm replying, I would ask what others better versed than me think about a couple of things: --Does the photo not look sloppily pasted atop a cabinet backing? --Does the cabinet backing itself look super fresh to anyone else's eye? (This could obviously be easily forgiven, as so many of these rested in albums for over a century, barely touched.) --It's been my observation that much more pride and care was taken in everything back then to have allowed for such a sloppy cut job on the photo. Those wavy, hand cut edges just wouldn't fly in period quality control, would they?! I would love to see this thing examined under a VSC. I wonder if the choice of a black cabinet backing was done on purpose in an effort to help obscure anything that may be/may have originally been on the cabinet behind the photo. Again, I loathe opining on anything unless I'm more knowledgeable in the subject matter, so please take my words as observational in nature only. Last edited by BillyCoxDodgers3B; 05-24-2024 at 04:49 PM. |
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Sounds like nit-picking probably, but if it’s not a completely modern invention, I’d lean more towards calling it an early 20th Century mounted photo, rather than a late 19th Century cabinet card.
Card guys won’t like that designation, but the photo guys won’t care much. Haven’t seen David Rudd post here in awhile, but I’m sure he’d have an informed opinion on it. |
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@BillyCox-
I'd disagree with your comment about "pride and care in everything back then" as I'm a long time Old Judge collector and it's rare to find a solid cut + centered N172. Even N173's (while marketed as "premium") often times had photos sloppily affixed to the mounts. I don't doubt that it's "real" as I'm holding it in front of me. I'm more curious as to when it was made or produced. It was sold last year in a Hindman Auction in a lot alongside several other authenticated pieces from the 1890s so it wouldn't surprise me to learn that this was a post mortem piece (~1894) as another member suggested. I'm def not the expert and honestly don't even know what "VSC" is but I'll happily bring it with me to Cleveland in July if someone can point me in the direction of an expert to take a close look at it. Last edited by Schwertfeger1007; 05-24-2024 at 05:58 PM. |
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Here's a link to the Hindman auction sale. A very impressive grouping.
https://bid.hindmanauctions.com/lots...ting-cleveland Jeff |
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Jeff,
Thanks for the link! IMHO some of the Hindman IDs of Boston players are not accurate. Jimmy Collins is not included and I am dubious the second mustachioed man is King Kelly. Also, Harry Gleason is one of the uniformed Boston player portraits (same image as E107). The Wright cabinet of Kelly may be period, but it seems post-career at best. B0b Rich@rds0n |
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Super impressive lot and what’s a shocker is the estimate! The auction thought this lot would fetch 400-600 and in reality it fetched 80,000. I guess both the auction com0any and the consignor didn’t have a clue as to value. I bet there were some eager collectors hoping to win this lot at a tremendous value.
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