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View Poll Results: Who is the greatest living player today?
Ronald Acuna Jr 1 0.24%
Johnny Bench 16 3.85%
Mookie Betts 0 0%
Barry Bonds 116 27.88%
Steve Carlton 0 0%
Roger Clemens 2 0.48%
Ken Griifey Jr 38 9.13%
Rickey Henderson 27 6.49%
Randy Johnson 3 0.72%
Sandy Koufax 52 12.50%
Greg Maddux 7 1.68%
Pedro Martinez 5 1.20%
Shohei Ohtani 18 4.33%
Albert Pujols 16 3.85%
Cal Ripken Jr 5 1.20%
Alex Rodriguez 0 0%
Pete Rose 39 9.38%
Nolan Ryan 34 8.17%
Mike Schmidt 17 4.09%
Ichiro Suzuki 7 1.68%
Mike Trout 1 0.24%
Other 12 2.88%
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Old 06-28-2024, 04:37 PM
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The Jeter vs ARod debate comes down to how much you view Jeter's intangibles. Do Jeter's intangibles offset ARod's stats?
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Old 06-28-2024, 04:41 PM
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The Jeter vs ARod debate comes down to how much you view Jeter's intangibles. Do Jeter's intangibles offset ARod's stats?
Agree, I just don't think it's valid to say ARod's huge advantage in numbers is due to "padding".
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Old 06-28-2024, 04:44 PM
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Agree, I just don't think it's valid to say ARod's huge advantage in numbers is due to "padding".
That's a whole lot of stat padding.
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The Jeter vs ARod debate comes down to how much you view Jeter's intangibles. Do Jeter's intangibles offset ARod's stats?
Agreed, and I think they do. I’m a Mets fan. Hated Jeter because he felt like a winner. Hated ARod because he was a self-centered cheater. Never felt like he was a winner like Jeter. Jeter won 5 World Series. How many did Arod win? 4 less. Mic drop.
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Agreed, and I think they do. I’m a Mets fan. Hated Jeter because he felt like a winner. Hated ARod because he was a self-centered cheater. Never felt like he was a winner like Jeter. Jeter won 5 World Series. How many did Arod win? 4 less. Mic drop.
I watched ARod with the Yankees over and over and over. Aside from his PED-enhanced, all about me stats, he was horrendous in the clutch. He was known throughout the Yankee Stadium bleachers, which were totally isolated from the rest of the stadium at old Yankee Stadium, as "The Anti-Clutch".
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I watched ARod with the Yankees over and over and over. Aside from his PED-enhanced, all about me stats, he was horrendous in the clutch. He was known throughout the Yankee Stadium bleachers, which were totally isolated from the rest of the stadium at old Yankee Stadium, as "The Anti-Clutch".
Below are A-Rods' stats in the clutch fyi:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...&t=b#all_clutc
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The problem with just relying on stats is that they’re cold and don’t take into account the intangibles that make players great. I watched a thousand Yankees games when ARod played with Jeter, and while I wasn’t a Jeter fan I couldn’t help but acknowledge his winning plays and his clutch at bats compared to ARod. I wouldn’t go as far to say Jeter was a better player because ARod’s numbers were so huge, but this is at least a valid question, despite the huge numbers disparity.

Koufax is the postwar pitcher most people would choose to start one game you had to win. He pitched hurt and on little rest, he completed games and he came up huge in the WS. But it was really a five year period — just the greatest five year period in modern times. I suppose it depends on how you define greatness for him: can a five year period be enough? Or do you take in the entire career when deciding? I’d have to say the former for the same reason I favor Koufax’s greatness over Don Sutton’s.
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The problem with just relying on stats is that they’re cold and don’t take into account the intangibles that make players great. I watched a thousand Yankees games when ARod played with Jeter, and while I wasn’t a Jeter fan I couldn’t help but acknowledge his winning plays and his clutch at bats compared to ARod. I wouldn’t go as far to say Jeter was a better player because ARod’s numbers were so huge, but this is at least a valid question, despite the huge numbers disparity.

Koufax is the postwar pitcher most people would choose to start one game you had to win. He pitched hurt and on little rest, he completed games and he came up huge in the WS. But it was really a five year period — just the greatest five year period in modern times. I suppose it depends on how you define greatness for him: can a five year period be enough? Or do you take in the entire career when deciding? I’d have to say the former for the same reason I favor Koufax’s greatness over Don Sutton’s.
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The problem with just relying on stats is that they’re cold and don’t take into account the intangibles that make players great. I watched a thousand Yankees games when ARod played with Jeter, and while I wasn’t a Jeter fan I couldn’t help but acknowledge his winning plays and his clutch at bats compared to ARod. I wouldn’t go as far to say Jeter was a better player because ARod’s numbers were so huge, but this is at least a valid question, despite the huge numbers disparity.

Koufax is the postwar pitcher most people would choose to start one game you had to win. He pitched hurt and on little rest, he completed games and he came up huge in the WS. But it was really a five year period — just the greatest five year period in modern times. I suppose it depends on how you define greatness for him: can a five year period be enough? Or do you take in the entire career when deciding? I’d have to say the former for the same reason I favor Koufax’s greatness over Don Sutton’s.
This is an excellent assessment; totally agree.
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