Ohtani CARDS are Mostly UNDERVALUED

[bk400]

These are my favorite Ohtanis. The 2023 Topps Now WBC is anything but rare, but I think it's an awesome photo. I like the 2013 BBM because it depicts Ohtani before he started squatting 500 for reps.

[jboosted92]

43/43

A month to go

[hammertime]

LOVE seeing an Ohtani thread on here, he's the only modern player I PC. Here are a couple of my favorites.

[bk400]

Originally Posted by hammertime

LOVE seeing an Ohtani thread on here, he's the only modern player I PC. Here are a couple of my favorites.

These are very nice cards. The autos look a lot better than his more recent ones, which someone else pointed out look really lazily done.

Separately, I just learned that the 2013 BBM Rookie Edition #42 was Ohtani's first Japanese card (a batting version and a pitching version). Issued in February 2013.

https://japanesebaseballcards.blogsp...hronology.html

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I generally like the Topps Heritage cards. I thought this Ohtani, numbered to "only" 999, was fairly inexpensive but then again I don't know the market.

I bought the heritage purple refractor in psa 10 when the cards dropped a couple years back.i think it was a tad more than a hundred, it’s a really cool card and and has jumped to the 700 category now. Big fan of Heritage.

[1952boyntoncollector]

I didnt see anyone say championships will be an issue if you want to be an all timer...we heard this about trout..

i know he was on the angels, but the dodgers are one of the top contenders this year..

[LOUCARDFAN]

So glad I picked up this bad boy a few years ago. The sky’s the limit with Ohtani and I think his numbered rookie autos are a tremendous investment.IMG_2388.jpg


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[rats60]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I didnt see anyone say championships will be an issue if you want to be an all timer...we heard this about trout..

i know he was on the angels, but the dodgers are one of the top contenders this year..

If Ohtani hits .083 in the postseason, people will bring it up.

[bk400]

Ohtani is having a decent game today.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by bk400

Ohtani is having a decent game today.

One home run away from a 50/50 season.

EDIT: Just hit HR #50.

[bk400]

Originally Posted by bnorth

One home run away from a 50/50 season.

EDIT: Just hit HR #50.

You don't see a box score like that very often.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I didnt see anyone say championships will be an issue if you want to be an all timer...we heard this about trout..

i know he was on the angels, but the dodgers are one of the top contenders this year..

This year? Dodgers have been top contenders for the last 7 years, at least. They are a completely different team in postseason than they are in the regular season.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bk400

You don't see a box score like that very often.

What a day.

[bk400]

Yeah. Indeed. 10 RBIs in a game cannot possibly be a common occurrence.

There needs to be a mercy rule in place for the Marlins tonight. Football score.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by bk400

You don't see a box score like that very often.

Oh my he went 6 for 6 with 3 homeruns and 10 RBI. That is a monster game.

[Smarti5051]

And he tried to stretch his 2nd double to a triple early in the game that was about a step slow. Otherwise, tack on a cycle with the 2 SBs to today's accomplishments.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Oh my he went 6 for 6 with 3 homeruns and 10 RBI. That is a monster game.

And two steals.

[bk400]

With a few games against the venerable Rockies coming up, I wouldn't be surprised if Ohtani catches Judge.

[BobbyStrawberry]

He wanted to get the drama over with. The guy is on another level.

[doug.goodman]

6 hit 9 inning games are pretty rare...

[Peter_Spaeth]

How many 3HR, 2SB games have there been? That's 5 percent of his season total in one game.

[calvindog]

I actually watched the entire game and he was just incredible. Home run #49 went about 900 feet. Stolen base #50 should have been an out but somehow he snuck a foot into third base after being beaten by the throw.

But as I watched the end of the blowout, the Marlins brought in a position player to finish the last inning. And he gave up Ohtani’s third bomb of the night, #51 on the season. I presume Florida wouldn’t have allowed a position player to throw meatballs to Ohtani if #50 was on the line. At least I hope not. It wouldn’t have been a good feeling to see him get to 50/50 that way.

[bk400]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

How many 3HR, 2SB games have there been? That's 5 percent of his season total in one game.

"Ohtani's three homers, six hits and 10 RBIs all set career highs. The 10 RBIs set a Dodgers record. He became the first player with three home runs and two stolen bases in a game since at least 1900 and the first player since RBIs became official in 1920 with 10 RBIs and five extra-base hits in a game. Ohtani also became the second player since at least 1901 with six hits in a game, including five for extra bases, according to ESPN Stats & Information."

[Peter_Spaeth]

His OPS for the game is around 3.8 lol.

[BobbyStrawberry]

It certainly didn't hurt that he got to face the expert hurler Vidal Brujan.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

It certainly didn't hurt that he got to face the expert hurler Vidal Brujan.

Nobody is confusing him for Ohtani as a two way player lol.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Nobody is confusing him for Ohtani as a two way player lol.

That's for sure

[bk400]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Nobody is confusing him for Ohtani as a two way player lol.

I felt bad for Vidal. Speaks volumes about the Marlins to put him out there like that. I mean, he was hitting people, walking everybody. I think if he threw at Ohtani's head, Ohtani could have caught it and tossed it back.

[D. Bergin]

What an absurd stat line. I’ve had games like that in my dreams, where I’m a grown ass man playing for my old Little League team, and I’m wondering why I haven’t been found out about while I’m knocking little kids over with my vicious line drives.

[bk400]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

It certainly didn't hurt that he got to face the expert hurler Vidal Brujan.

Interestingly, according to ESPN, Ohtani became the first player in major league history with multiple home runs, multiple stolen bases and five hits in a game -- when he was 5-5 with 2HR, 2SB. So before he hit that 55 mph matzo ball that Vidal threw him...

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by bk400

Interestingly, according to ESPN, Ohtani became the first player in major league history with multiple home runs, multiple stolen bases and five hits in a game -- when he was 5-5 with 2HR, 2SB. So before he hit that 55 mph matzo ball that Vidal threw him...

Oh yeah, I'm not taking anything from him. You can only hit what's thrown to you...

[theshowandme]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

How many 3HR, 2SB games have there been? That's 5 percent of his season total in one game.

Stathead suggests that’s the first time ever

[jboosted92]

Originally Posted by jboosted92

43/43

A month to go

Well, that was a hell of a month...LOL

[jboosted92]

Originally Posted by BioCRN

Whether he's the best or not, if Ohtani isn't in your top-5 hitters in all of baseball anywhere on the planet I don't know what to say.

MVP caliber hitter. CY caliber pitcher. Unless one wants to pick on Ohtani's ability to pitch 200-ish IP as a pitcher, both stand strong.

Guy is about to hit 40+ homers for the 3rd time in 4 years. He's going to join the 40-40 club. He's recovering from Tommy John surgery while doing it. wtf...

3.01 ERA, 1.08 WHIP over 481.2ip

It's easy to ignore his pitching based on injury, but based on results when healthy it isn't.

His biggest knock is he doesn't play the field and if he did, it would most likely be below average.

Long story short...I've never seen anyone like him in my lifetime with skills this elevated and I'm not sure anyone else here has, either.

He's not a rare player, he's not a generational player, he's only being compared to Ruth because who else are you going to compare a guy with his skill set to that played in 1900+? He's a very unique player.

yup...

Judge isnt even a top 5 yankee of all time ( yet) and people comparing him to what Ohtani has done on Mound and Batters box ( and now on base )...

its pure stupidity, like saying Montana was better than Brady...

STOP..lol

[G1911]

Originally Posted by jboosted92

yup...

Judge isnt even a top 5 yankee of all time ( yet) and people comparing him to what Ohtani has done on Mound and Batters box ( and now on base )...

its pure stupidity, like saying Montana was better than Brady...

STOP..lol

WAR
Judge - 51.2
Ohtani - 42.5

They are both incredibly good, but the dichotomy where one must be put down to lift the other one doesn't make much sense to me. Who knows where they will end up, but both are rare talents who are delivering astounding performances to enjoy.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

WAR
Judge - 51.2
Ohtani - 42.5

They are both incredibly good, but the dichotomy where one must be put down to lift the other one doesn't make much sense to me. Who knows where they will end up, but both are rare talents who are delivering astounding performances to enjoy.

And 15 of that 42 is pitching, meaning his batting WAR is 27.5. Not sure why it isn't higher? But it's striking. Barely more than half of Judge's.

[packs]

I’m surprised Judge doesn’t get more love from the vintage crowd. Right now he’s as close as it gets to the golden slugger of old, who could mash and hit 300 at the same time. Feared by every pitcher on earth. Putting up 130+ RBIs. Those are golden age Foxx, Gehrig, Greenberg numbers.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

I’m surprised Judge doesn’t get more love from the vintage crowd. Right now he’s as close as it gets to the golden slugger of old, who could mash and hit 300 at the same time. Feared by every pitcher on earth. Putting up 130+ RBIs. Those are golden age Foxx, Gehrig, Greenberg numbers.

Not only that, there is absolutely nothing not to like about him.

[BioCRN]

Originally Posted by packs

I’m surprised Judge doesn’t get more love from the vintage crowd. Right now he’s as close as it gets to the golden slugger of old, who could mash and hit 300 at the same time. Feared by every pitcher on earth. Putting up 130+ RBIs. Those are golden age Foxx, Gehrig, Greenberg numbers.

He should get love as a player. He's an oldschool stoic giant who does everything well, though his D is starting to decline.

As a card collector he's in the thick of the current era card market being a guy who has over 2000 "rookie card" issues in 2017 (counting all variations). Want a low-number? Tons of options. Auto? Tons. Low-number and auto? Tons.

The pure saturation era of obvious stars kinda kills excitement of having a RC of some guys even if there's still decent value attached to it. Guys don't have a "cool" RC, they have dozens of them.

Though he's not a star (except to Cubs fans), in 2014 Kyle Hendricks got his RC...2014 Topps Heritage High Number. It's his only RC and there's not 100 different borders or an auto...just his card. It's not rare card, but it's a rare occurrence in this era to only have 1 card for your RC.

[bbcard1]

I got a few of his Japanese issues.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And 15 of that 42 is pitching, meaning his batting WAR is 27.5. Not sure why it isn't higher? But it's striking. Barely more than half of Judge's.

Let's start by saying, until this Year Judge was CLEARLY the better hitter. This year is very hard to call. But part of the difference over their careers is because DWAR is factored into batting WAR and as a DH his DWAR contributes nothing.

O-WAR to O-War is 46.2 to 27.3 but now factor in plate appearances. Judge has around 800 more so that's a full season advantage over Ohtani.

[frankbmd]

Granted baseball is a game to be seen and a game of numbers (historically counting numbers), but if I asked someone which player of any 2 he liked better and he asked me what their DWARs were before answering, I would withdraw my question and think he was foolish.

The reliance on statistically manufactured ratings developed 60-80 years post mortem doesn't float my boat. Generational comparisons are also inherently flawed. The game is still played with bats on a diamond, but the game in 1920 is not the same game as in 2020.

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Granted baseball is a game to be seen and a game of numbers (historically counting numbers), but if I asked someone which player of any 2 he liked better and he asked me what their DWARs were before answering, I would withdraw my question and think he was foolish.

The reliance on statistically manufactured ratings developed 60-80 years post mortem doesn't float my boat. Generational comparisons are also inherently flawed. The game is still played with bats on a diamond, but the game in 1920 is not the same game as in 2020.

+1,000,000 on this ^^^^^ Well said

[bk400]

So I leave Ohtani to focus on the Mets for three days, and now the guy is now at 53-55? With three more games left against the Rockies, he might end up closer to 60-60 than 50-50 by the time the regular season is over. It's staggering.

I will root for Lindor to win the NL MVP, but from a clinical, dispassionate standpoint, I am begrudgingly sympathetic to the argument that Ohtani should win it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Ohtani will be unanimous. He may get every second place vote too. Meanwhile, Judge with 55, what a season.

[bk400]

A Yankees-Dodgers World Series would be epic. But I'm not sure the Dodgers make it with their pitching.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bk400

A Yankees-Dodgers World Series would be epic. But I'm not sure the Dodgers make it with their pitching.

Yep. Probably another one and out for Dave Roberts and the Dodgers.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yep. Probably another one and out for Dave Roberts and the Dodgers.

Don't get me so excited with these hot takes. Going to get my hopes up, just to have those goons make a deep run and give me the shakes.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And 15 of that 42 is pitching, meaning his batting WAR is 27.5. Not sure why it isn't higher? But it's striking. Barely more than half of Judge's.

Because, quite frankly, Ohtani's first three seasons as a hitter were nothing special. He hit .190 in 2020.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Tabe

Because, quite frankly, Ohtani's first three seasons as a hitter were nothing special. He hit .190 in 2020.

With a 0 WAR. You wonder how, even in a short season, that was possible for such a great player.