[User Removed] Fraudulent PSA Registry activity -- Patrickdkearns

[ZiggerZagger]

Hi all --

[Update -- user's inventory was removed from PSA Registry by PSA Registry Manager]

Just a little P.S.A. on the PSA Registry here. Several days ago a fairly low-key collector [ Patrickdkearns ] added hundreds of cards to his Registry, taking over top spots on several of the more prestigious sets. Many were highest-graded in the hobby. All cards were added over a 24 hrs period.

Making a pretty solid assumption that he doesn't have these cards -- unless it's commonplace to have 7 T206 Wagners, but only a measly 6 Planks... It wasn't done with a ton of subtlety, honestly. He was all-in on Shaq Autos before this apparently, haha. I presume it was just him adding unclaimed Certs and then pics from VCP or some other source. Here are some useful links to his sets:


https://www.psacard.com/psasetregist...profile/428915
https://www.psacard.com/psasetregist...gallery/428915
https://www.psacard.com/psasetregist...hersets/428915
https://www.psacard.com/psasetregist...abe-ruths/2047
https://www.psacard.com/psasetregist...ll-cards/13702
https://www.psacard.com/psasetregist...ll-cards/14141
https://www.psacard.com/psasetregist...ll-cards/13755


I casually participate in the Registry, but still like to see the process respected. I called the Registry CS number [(800) 325-1121] and initially got a confused guy in Coins, who then sent me to the Voicemail of the appropriate Registry agent, and am awaiting communication back. The cards still reside in his Registry about a week later.

Just putting this out there for the group. Maybe someone else knows someone at PSA more who can more directly address issues with this collection. Have a great Labor Day everyone!

--Jason.Bisping

[Peter_Spaeth]

It sounds like a lot of effort for no purpose.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It sounds like a lot of effort for no purpose.

Whose effort are we talking about?

The effort to get onto the registry?

Or the effort to take him down?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by raulus

Whose effort are we talking about?

The effort to get onto the registry?

Or the effort to take him down?

The effort to find unclaimed certs, download and then upload images, etc.

[ZiggerZagger]

Haha, yeah my efforts stop here, for sure.

My sense of self is fortunately not tied into a rank on the PSA registries.

I'm on none of those affected sets either, I don't think -- although some fellow board members are.
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[raulus]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The effort to find unclaimed certs, download and then upload images, etc.

Does seem rather silly if you don’t own the stuff.

Maybe it’s part of some larger con.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by raulus

Does seem rather silly if you don’t own the stuff.

Maybe it’s part of some larger con.

I guess all those Wagners would look good on a financial statement?

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I guess all those Wagners would look good on a financial statement?

WSJ had an expose on Guarav Srivastava a few days ago, and all of his exploits conning people in high places by faking a lot of connections and ownership of assets. It was a fun read.

Of course, this could just be a garden variety goon with delusions of grandeur who wants to feel like a big man with his set registry grade. Little does he know that nobody cares.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by raulus

WSJ had an expose on Guarav Srivastava a few days ago, and all of his exploits conning people in high places by faking a lot of connections and ownership of assets. It was a fun read.

Of course, this could just be a garden variety goon with delusions of grandeur who wants to feel like a big man with his set registry grade. Little does he know that nobody cares.

A lot of people care and I still find it extremely hilarious.

[Eric72]

Maybe he's waiting for one of these cards to sell and then claim it was stolen from him. Not a brilliant scheme, to be sure. However, he may think it will work.

[ALBB]

all look good from here

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Eric72

Maybe he's waiting for one of these cards to sell and then claim it was stolen from him. Not a brilliant scheme, to be sure. However, he may think it will work.

Sort of like the Graceland foreclosure scheme. They can possibly try to make life difficult for the real owners. Try to extort a payoff to drop their claim.

[Yoda]

I would think there would be beaucoup anger from those bumped out of the top slots by this idiot. And they should be demanding that PSA take action asap.

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by Yoda

I would think there would be beaucoup anger from those bumped out of the top slots by this idiot. And they should be demanding that PSA take action asap.

Agree. You would think those that are Registry collector's would care enough to boot him.

[Ronnie73]

7 T206 Cobbs, 2 Planks, 1 Honus Wagner, and 2 Cy Youngs and he's still 7 Slots behind me. And I still have around 1300 more T206's to add. So much for his cheating

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ALBB

all look good from here

Yeap, same thought here too!
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And a T206 not on the registry..

[ZiggerZagger]

Just to close the loop on this, the longtime PSA Registry Assistant Manager did reach out by phone about this weird situation. They planned to call the user and figure out what was going on.

I hadn't thought to check in on it for a while, but just noticed PSA has cleaned out his Registry inventory and cleared those Registry sets out as well. They also removed any history of his rankings.

I guess the lesson is that if you're going to play games with the Registry, at least be subtle about it -- claiming all 7 of the Lucky 7 Ty Cobb T206 backs at once probably isn't a good idea.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes, I guess?


As Leon says, every thread needs a card -- here's a recent add that was a very long-time coming.

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[raulus]

Glad to hear PSA isn’t afraid to take down a goon engaging in clear and obvious registry shenanigans.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by raulus

Glad to hear PSA isn’t afraid to take down a goon engaging in clear and obvious registry shenanigans.

Imagine if he registered a Mays set.

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by ZiggerZagger

.....I guess the lesson is that if you're going to play games with the Registry, at least be subtle about it -- claiming all 7 of the Lucky 7 Ty Cobb T206 backs at once probably isn't a good idea.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes, I guess?

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King for a day

[jimq16415]

I had a couple small registry sets going and I would get non-stop offers from an ebay seller to buy the sets and he would pay by paypal f&f. His offers weren't great but if you didn't really have the cards that would be ok.

He might have been planning on something like that but with his goals too high.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Imagine if he registered a Mays set.

Not sure anyone would be able to tell that it wasn’t real. Certainly for the basic set anyone could assemble it in about 24 hours. Even in high grade, if you had enough cash, it wouldn’t take more than a year or two. Might set you back $1M or $2M, but you could pretty quickly take the top spot. And it’s not like there aren’t people with that much cash lying around to blow on cardboard.

And even when it comes to some of the larger Mays sets, aside from a few cards that are in very short supply, you could probably assemble 320 of the 356 cards in the master mays set without it being a big deal. And for the rest, it’s not like I would know that you didn’t really have it. You couldn’t add my cards to your set because they’re already in my registry, and that would certainly make it difficult to get some pieces where mine is the only one.

With Mays there’s no dead giveaway like having a fistful of Wagners and Planks, so even in a case like where there’s only 3 total Mays dice game cards graded by PSA (one is mine), if you added 1 of the other 2 to your set (assuming the real owners haven’t already locked them up in the set registry), I sure wouldn’t know that it was all just fake.

[JustBradd]

Originally Posted by raulus

Not sure anyone would be able to tell that it wasn’t real. Certainly for the basic set anyone could assemble it in about 24 hours. Even in high grade, if you had enough cash, it wouldn’t take more than a year or two. Might set you back $1M or $2M, but you could pretty quickly take the top spot. And it’s not like there aren’t people with that much cash lying around to blow on cardboard.

And even when it comes to some of the larger Mays sets, aside from a few cards that are in very short supply, you could probably assemble 320 of the 356 cards in the master mays set without it being a big deal. And for the rest, it’s not like I would know that you didn’t really have it. You couldn’t add my cards to your set because they’re already in my registry, and that would certainly make it difficult to get some pieces where mine is the only one.

With Mays there’s no dead giveaway like having a fistful of Wagners and Planks, so even in a case like where there’s only 3 total Mays dice game cards graded by PSA (one is mine), if you added 1 of the other 2 to your set (assuming the real owners haven’t already locked them up in the set registry), I sure wouldn’t know that it was all just fake.

I wonder if I have any of the 36 you mention in my collection... The pop 1s you have (of course not) but there's a few pop 2/3s that I have.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by JustBradd

I wonder if I have any of the 36 you mention in my collection... The pop 1s you have (of course not) but there's a few pop 2/3s that I have.

If there are only 2 or 3, then the odds are good that they are on the list. Unless it’s something silly that just hasn’t been graded much yet, like some of the coke bottle caps.

[JustBradd]

Originally Posted by raulus

If there are only 2 or 3, then the odds are good that they are on the list. Unless it’s something silly that just hasn’t been graded much yet, like some of the coke bottle caps.

Oh it's definitely the silly ones. Still looking for the Fanta Grapes (10/G17) and the Fanta Root Beer (G17)..... All these bottle caps have to be the silliest and I love it.

[Yoda]

Hope this delusional clown doesn't have an AR-15.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Hope this delusional clown doesn't have an AR-15.

How by any stretch of the imagination can a person go from adding baseball cards to a PSA registry to owning a gun. Interesting agenda.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Hope this delusional clown doesn't have an AR-15.

Well this is an early candidate for the stupidest fucking thing I’ll read this week.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Hope this delusional clown doesn't have an AR-15.

Maybe he just owns one on the registry, but not in real life?

[MikeGarcia]

Originally Posted by raulus

Maybe he just owns one on the registry, but not in real life?

He should have posted " AR-15 Type Rifle " ; he may be just another type collector.

[steve B]

Makes me want to make a set of gun cards.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by steve B

Makes me want to make a set of gun cards.

The 1953 Parkhurst series of 50 is pretty cool.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by bnorth

How by any stretch of the imagination can a person go from adding baseball cards to a PSA registry to owning a gun. Interesting agenda.

I add baseball cards to a PSA registry. I own many guns. It's like PB & J!

[raulus]

Originally Posted by calvindog

I add baseball cards to a PSA registry. I own many guns. It's like PB & J!

The registry is a mighty fine gateway drug.

[Keith H. Thompson]

The piece has a significant "kick."

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Keith H. Thompson

The piece has a significant "kick."

Pretty impressive to still be one of/the highest selling product in its vertical 113 years later without any fundamental changes.

And the 1982 Wills Embassy World Of Firearms, another fun little set (and cheap).