New T206 discovery: George Schirm with a Carolina Brights back

[4815162342]

https://www.junkwaxhero.com/p/breaki...-has-been-made

[dbrown]

I hope Ted Z still has eyes on the board.

[Luke]

My first thought is it's probably a Desmond fake. I wonder how they were able to feel confident the back is legit.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Luke

My first thought is it's probably a Desmond fake. I wonder how they were able to feel confident the back is legit.

I thought the same thing but if Andy (hey Andy) graded it, then it's fine. He is the one that originally found the T213-1s to be fake, from Desmond, if I recall correctly.

That said, there is always a good chance someone else at CGC graded it.

[rebelsart]

Interesting card. According to the T206resource.com website the T206 Schirm with Carolina Brights is a no print.
Art M.

[junkwaxhero]

Thanks everyone. I addressed the “no print” in the article.

I also talked about how I am awaiting comment from Andy, but he is without power due to Milton.

[Pat R]

I wondered how long it would be before someone graded one of these Desmond creations.

[4815162342]

I just caught myself up on the Desmond scandal (it occurred during my hobby hiatus). Wow.

[Brian Weisner]

I agree with Luke, Pat, and Art…. It’s a reback that found its way into a holder.
Be well Brian

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by junkwaxhero

Thanks everyone. I addressed the “no print” in the article.

I also talked about how I am awaiting comment from Andy, but he is without power due to Milton.

Have you heard anything from Andy about the grading of this card?

[Pat R]

I wonder how many replies this thread would have if this card was in a PSA holder?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

I just caught myself up on the Desmond scandal (it occurred during my hobby hiatus). Wow.

Desmond goes way back at least to 1996. See VBCC #7.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Desmond goes way back at least to 1996. See VBCC #7.

Double wow.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

Double wow.

So no one has to wonder..And I am in agreement too, No way that first card is real.

https://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=253724


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[junkwaxhero]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Have you heard anything from Andy about the grading of this card?

Not really! I have sent him a handful of private messages. He has expressed interest in the story several times, and then stopped answering.

Maybe it’s time to post it publicly and tag him asking for a response.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by junkwaxhero

Not really! I have sent him a handful of private messages. He has expressed interest in the story several times, and then stopped answering.

Maybe it’s time to post it publicly and tag him asking for a response.

You can do what you want to, but you need to have your full name next to your posts, as the rule says in, bold letters, near the top of every page. Thanks.

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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by junkwaxhero

Not really! I have sent him a handful of private messages. He has expressed interest in the story several times, and then stopped answering.

Maybe it’s time to post it publicly and tag him asking for a response.

I'm sure he has seen this thread by now and I'm surprised he hasn't responded.

[tjisonline]

Originally Posted by Pat R

I'm sure he has seen this thread by now and I'm surprised he hasn't responded.

Mike's waiting on CGC / Andy. I know Andy was in Florida during the last hurricane.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tjisonline

Mike's waiting on CGC / Andy. I know Andy was in Florida during the last hurricane.

1. The card was purchased from someone who claimed they were "unsure if it was real".
2. The combo is listed as a no print on T206 resource
3. The back has the "hazy" look that all of the Desmond creations have and the back damage that the majority of them have.

The lack of response from anyone at CGC for close to a month now isn't a very good look and I think Mike should note the questions about this card in his article until he does hear from someone.

If this card was real it would be at least a 1k card even in the condition that it's in and it could possibly sell for multiples of that in an auction but if it's a Desmond creation which I believe it is it's a $20-$25 card at best.

[tjisonline]

Multiple people (including me) asked Andy for an update / comment via DM, twitter, etc... We haven’t heard anything. To me, this also makes me think twice about the card.

I understand Andy’s location was impacted by the hurricane last month so didn’t ask again.

Originally Posted by Pat R

1. The card was purchased from someone who claimed they were "unsure if it was real".
2. The combo is listed as a no print on T206 resource
3. The back has the "hazy" look that all of the Desmond creations have and the back damage that the majority of them have.

The lack of response from anyone at CGC for close to a month now isn't a very good look and I think Mike should note the questions about this card in his article until he does hear from someone.

If this card was real it would be at least a 1k card even in the condition that it's in and it could possibly sell for multiples of that in an auction but if it's a Desmond creation which I believe it is it's a $20-$25 card at best.

[junkwaxhero]

Originally Posted by Pat R

1. The card was purchased from someone who claimed they were "unsure if it was real".
2. The combo is listed as a no print on T206 resource
3. The back has the "hazy" look that all of the Desmond creations have and the back damage that the majority of them have.

The lack of response from anyone at CGC for close to a month now isn't a very good look and I think Mike should note the questions about this card in his article until he does hear from someone.

If this card was real it would be at least a 1k card even in the condition that it's in and it could possibly sell for multiples of that in an auction but if it's a Desmond creation which I believe it is it's a $20-$25 card at best.

This is good feedback. I’ll add to my article this weekend.

Meanwhile, I continue to try to get Andy to respond. He seems to have stopped logging in to Twitter, as he never read my first message from after the hurricane and hasn’t tweeted since.

[t206kid]

I've dissected these before. I agree with the others and that it's a Desmond fake. I think the fronts are real. If you heavily soak the back, there may even be a second "back" underneath the CB ha.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by t206kid

I've dissected these before. I agree with the others and that it's a Desmond fake. I think the fronts are real. If you heavily soak the back, there may even be a second "back" underneath the CB ha.

I think he used real fronts on all of the fakes he made. Here's a Piedmont 350 LaPorte that he used to make a Coupon type 1 fake.

Desmond Laporte.jpg

Desmond LaPorte Possible - COMC Ebay listing a.jpg

[tjisonline]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Desmond goes way back at least to 1996. See VBCC #7.

Hi Peter,

I have this issue and just flipped through it. Did read it cover to cover last year.
What page are you referring to. Maybe I missed it in the cleaning / restoration or grading topics stories in it?

Thanks,

[Pat R]

At this point It appears that CGC made an error that they're not willing to publicly admit. Hopefully if the card does come up for sale anyone thinking of buying or bidding on it will find this thread.