Let’s rehash the Bond Bread controversy.

[Exhibitman]

"We know the Exhibit Supply Co., printed up the 1947 Bond Bread Exhibits, which has many of the same images that Bond Bread used."

We do? I've never seen any evidence of that. The physical characteristics of the cards do not match ESCO products. Please elaborate.

[Johnphotoman]

This information about the Exhibit Supply Co. printing what we call "Bond Bread Exhibit"" -come from old-timers I have talked to, many different articles I have read. I do not believe I have seen any of the information challenged. But I have not done any research into them. I just assume the information I had was correct since it's backed up by so many people.

Looking back, and reading some of what you have posted, I will update and edit my comments. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Maybe you can post what you know and understand. I find it to be very interesting. To tell you the truth I never really believed the Exhibit Supply Co. were Bond Bread cards. Thanks to you, not only is there the possibility that they are misclassified and identified, but it is possible The Exhibit Supply Co. did not print the cards.

Thanks John

[Pat R]

I'm not claiming that this necessarily pertains to the "Exhibit Bond Bread" cards but here are some ads for cardboard from 1946-47 that is the same size as Exhibit uncut sheets.


Chicago
Exhibit Supply Co. Chicago_Tribune_1946_04_14_72.jpg

Detroit
Exhibit Supply Co. Detroit_Free_Press_1946_04_29_Page_18.jpg

St. Louis
Exhibit Supply Co. St_Louis_Post_Dispatch_1946_04_26_Page_39.jpg

Chicago
Exhibit Supply Co. Chicago_Tribune_1947_08_13_44.jpg

[Johnphotoman]

Very interesting, the P. C. Smith, Exhibit Supply Co. looking for cardboard, this shows just how much paper was in short supply. I refer you to post #63. "In 1947, paper was considered extremely scarce due to the aftermath of World War II."

But what I do find more interesting is in the last ad, they are looking for printers to print there two color post cards, asking for Letterpress Printers, it says they will furnish stock, ink and plates.

Letterpress Printers do not use plates. Offset Printers use plates, Offset press did print a lot of post cards in 1940s and up. I was in printing for 40 years, I started out in Letterpress printing. John.

[Johnphotoman]

Exhibitman, Here are some of my notes, In 1947 , the ESCO, Exhibt Supply Co. in Chicago produced baseball exhibit cards. Esco printed post cards size cards that were usually black and white. Sold the cards in penny arcade machines.
Some catalogs from that time suggest they produced sets of 32 or 64 cards each yeard., resulting in about 465 cards total. I do not have the source from where I save this information. They produced Exhibit cards from 1920-1960.
The Standard catalog of vintage baseball cards- List W461 Bond Bread Exhibits.

This popped up on my search today:
https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/757388

https://www.deanscards.com/c/837/194...9jMvJjc1z4btMr

I Just did a Google search: AI Overview

In 1947, the Exhibit Supply Company (ESCO) primarily printed trading cards featuring popular movie stars and athletes, which were dispensed through their vending machines located in various establishments like theaters and soda fountains; these cards are often referred to as "Exhibit Cards" and are considered a collectible item today.
Key points about Exhibit Supply Company cards in 1947:
Variety of subjects:
The cards featured a wide range of celebrities, including Hollywood actors, actresses, athletes, and sometimes even pin-up models.
Vending machine distribution:
These cards were designed to be dispensed from special vending machines owned by ESCO, which were placed in public locations.
Frequent updates: New sets of cards were printed regularly, ensuring a constant supply of fresh content for collectors.

It is this kind of information where I had drawn my conclusions from. John

[Johnphotoman]

Information on the old Ted Z thread appears to be mishandled, misquoted and misdirected.

Quotes for Ted Z:

Post #8 “There is a significant difference in the cardboard stock used in the original 1947 Bond Bread cards vs. the subsequent (unknown series) of SQUARE cards. When you compare these cards, you'll immediately notice......the backs of the 1947 cards have retained their original white color.....while the backs of the other cards have a "toned" effect.”

At first Ted Z called the Sports Star cards an unknown set from 1949 -1950.Where does he get the date of 1949-50, I have come to believe it just so Ted Z can say the other card sets can not be from 1947?

The unknown set…has a toned effect, Ted Z used this description a lot, almost on every card that was not a Bond Bread card. (has a toned effect). Stay with me, I will explain this tone effect.

Post #11 “Also, note the difference in the width of the Bond Bread Jansen card vs its SQUARE card counterpart. The
Bond Bread cards are consistently 1/16 th of an inch narrower.”

Ted Z called these square cards- (SQUARE card counterpart)
1949-1950 Sports Star cards, he went on to say “note the difference in the width of the Bond Bread Jansen card vs its SQUARE card counterpart”. Yes they were different in size, because there were perforated, due-sided cards; they were not 1949-1950 Sports Star cards. We have to ask…why he did not show the backs, (toned effect) because they were printed on two sides, there was no toned effect, I am sorry, but he had to know what he was saying.

Post #53 “it's my understanding that only 24 cards (22 bb and joe louis & primo carnera) were in the sets that dave festberg sold.is this true for the set you have? you may be right about the cards in festburg's "find" not being "reprints"; however, illustrated here is the problem i have with the "festburg cards".

He then says, “Note the difference in the discolored cardboard of the festburg "find" card.”

Where did Ted Z get his understanding that there were 24 cards in the Festberg cards? He did say they might not be reprints. He says note the discolored cardboard of the festburg "find" card.” Stay with me, I will explain the so-called discolored cardboard.

Interestingly enough Ted Z did post images of the backs of the cards to show us what he was talking about, as he called them; 1947 Bond Bread, 1949 Sports Star Subject, and the Festbutg find. All have white backs except the Festburg cards, they have what Ted Z called discolored cardboard.

Post #72 “I'm still researching this Sports Star Subjects set. I have yet to find any of the 4 packets containing 12 cards each
that these Square cards were sold in. I've seen (or had) several of the individual cards (including the Walker Cooper card). Here's my Rizzuto and a sample of the Movie Star issue (circa 1949-1950.” I have a near complete set of the Movie Stars.”

Then he says, “Refer to post #8 in this thread to distinguish the original (1949) Square cards from the "Festberg find" Square reprint cards with respect to the difference in the color of their backs (white vs. toned).”

He never saw the Sports Star Subjects sold in boxes, therefore everybody who has seen them must be wrong. Where does he come up with a 1949-1950 date for these cards? The Sports Star Subject cards are from 1947. Notice he says,”
The original (1949) Square cards are from the "Festberg find" Square reprint cards. Reprints? Is he implying that all square cards are reprints and from the Festberg find? That just doesn't make any sense. Maybe I am misreading it.

What have we gained from all this: Ted Z implies there are original (1949) Square cards - that are from the "Festberg find." But are some kind of reprints.

What are we to do, to refer to post 8 to distinguish the 1947 original Festberg, from the 1949 subsequent (unknown series) of SQUARE cards. (“Collectors & Traders Sport Star Subjects” cards.)

How do we distinguish between the two? By the backs. “with respect to the difference in the color of their backs (white vs. toned).”

In this statement Ted Z implies that the unknown square backs are toned, not the original Festberg cards.This does go against all the images we have for the (unknown square backs) -which we now know are the “Collectors & Traders Sport Star Subjects” cards. Every image has white backs.
Note what Ted Z said in post #53, the Festberg cards had discolored cardboard.

Maybe Ted Z misspoke… I can tell it is hard to keep everything straight, I myself have placed wrong images with wrong information in this thread. But I always have tried to fix it. With Ted Z, it's like he wants to twist the information on purpose. Not to speak Ill of the dead. That is just my opinion.

Post #136 “These Bond Bread (Rounded corners) cards were available from Bond Bread packages to us kids in my neighborhood in 1947 and 1948. My research indicates that circa 1949 the Square versions of these B/W cards were available. These Square cards were never available
in our neighborhood. Rounded or Square, these 48-card issues were printed on good quality cardboard which has remained WHITE for almost 70 years.”

“Circa 1980, David Festberg (hobby dealer) discovered in a North Jersey warehouse a box (or boxes) containing 1000's of B/W (Square cornered) cards similar to the above cards. However,

1....there were only 24 (of the 48) subjects in this find.

2....these 24 cards were printed on an inferior cardboard stock, as these cards are thinner than the 1947 and 1949 issues.
And, the backs of the cards are "TONED", instead of WHITE.

Furthermore, when you compare the original cards (1947 & 1949) with the cards from Festberg's find, it's quite obvious that the original cards have a noticeable B/W contrast. Where the Festberg cards' images are somewhat "faded"....indicative of reprints.”

Ted Z said, My research indicates that circa 1949 the Square versions of these B/W cards were available. These Square cards were never available in our neighborhood.
What about the people who said they had collected these square cards in 1947. Oh that's right, those square cards were never available in his neighborhood, therefore they were only available only after 1949.

Where to begin- “these 24 cards were printed on an inferior cardboard stock, as these cards are thinner than the 1947 and 1949 issues. And, the backs of the cards are "TONED", instead of WHITE. I have personally gauged the paper stock with a micrometer and they are the same, yes some feel a little thicker, but they are not.

Notice that the backs are toned and not the so-called discolored cardboard. The next statement # 2…takes the cake, go back and read it for yourself.

Post #212 “As you know, the original 1947 BOND BREAD cards have bright white backs. The re-printed (24 cards) from
The "Festberg find" have toned backs. If the bottom Robinson in your scan has a toned back (as I suspect)
it has been faked to look like an original 1947 BOND BREAD card by someone who rounded it's corners.”

Ted Z shows us images of the toned backs of the Festberg cards look like. Ted Z called the card in question a fake because he thinks someone rounded its corners. Wrong it is just part of the die-cutting process, cards do not always come out the same every time. In spite of what Ted Z says, he even posted images right from his collection that look just like the sample from Gobucsmagic74. Again he says “The re-printed (24 cards) from The "Festberg find" More on this later.

Ted Zanidakis and others had posted about the backs of the cards many times…as the way to tell some of the BB sets apart. I do believe this is right, we have enough samples of images to go by. I believe we now can begin to separate the cards into what group a card belongs in.

I want to concentrate on the statements: The 1947 cards are slightly thicker, and the backs of the 1947 cards have retained their original white color.....while the backs of the other cards have a "toned" effect.

Too bad Ted did not use a gauge to see the thickness and not go by how thick they feel. You would think if the cards were going to be inserted into loaves of bread they would be thinner. As many people had attested to in the thread. I can not find the post, but many people said the Bond Bread cards were actually thinner than the other cards they collected. There are those who did not agree with Ted.

Now as for the “1947 cards have retained their original white color.....while the backs of the other cards have a "toned" effect.” There was no tone effect, just different color paper stock, the images provided in this post will prove this out. A toned card would not be so evenly toned through the card. From what I can deduce some cards were printed on white stock, bright white stock, Ivory color stock, gray shade of stock. You can see some toning on the images, but it is what you would expect cards to look like from 1947. Yes it is hard to tell the color of cards by just looking at the images on a computer.

Now let’s look at what Ted said about the Festberg cards: “As you know, the original 1947 BOND BREAD cards have bright white backs. The re-printed (24 cards) from the "Festberg find" have toned backs.” No, wait he said, the Festberg cards had discolored cardboard. Just as long they were no white. His own images show that the Festberg cards were printed on Ivory, or Beige Paper Stock. We have many images not just from ted Z that show this.

Therefore we can rule-out all the cards printed on any other paper stock than Ivory or Beige stock. Like the cards butchie t posted. In the next post I will go over these cards in more detail.

Quote from Post #412 -from butchie t: “Here is my Jackie Robinson, front and back for comparison. I purchased this along with the other 23 way back in May of 1990 from the Baseball Card Society. What I know up to now, it is part of the Festberg find.”

This question is for butchie t: how did you come to believe your cards are from the Festberg find? I will have more questions in upcoming posts for you butchie t. John

Images- first is Bond Bread and Collectors & Traders Sport Star Subjects. second Bond Bread and Festberg. third is Bond Bread, Collectors & Traders Sport Star Subjects, Festberg. forth squared Collectors & Traders Sport Star Subjects. Remember the images are not true colors, you need the originals to see that, use for comparison only.

[Johnphotoman]

Images of the Festberg cards, look at how the images can appear different in color. Understand the images we see are not the true color. But we can use these cards as a guide, if you see Ivory or Beige color cards- I would place them in the Festberg find. John

PS the image in the middle shows a Bond Bread card with a Festberg card.

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by Johnphotoman

Quote from Post #412 -from butchie t: “Here is my Jackie Robinson, front and back for comparison. I purchased this along with the other 23 way back in May of 1990 from the Baseball Card Society. What I know up to now, it is part of the Festberg find.”

This question is for butchie t: how did you come to believe your cards are from the Festberg find? I will have more questions in upcoming posts for you butchie t. John

John,

My answer to you on the 'why I believed' is based on:
1. Ignorance
2. Not enough information coming into that thread back then.
3. The letter I received when I was a member of the Baseball Card Society. Assumption my my part connecting Festberg to my card set.

Excerpt here (Page 2 of what I called the Feldstein Letter(he wrote it.):

"All the baseball cards they produced that weren't put in bread
packages were stored in a dusty warehouse and, quite literally,
forgotten about when they went out of business. Many years later a
famous collector discovered the cards in the warehouse and snapped up
all of them. He died a few months ago and his widow offered us the
card sets that remained. "

///Question: Has there ever been a determination of who this famous collector is? (Since it was possibly not Festburg?)///

In my quest to find out more about this set I bought back in 1990, I searched and came across this website... And the famous or infamous thread on the Bond Card questions. Based on what I read and my ignorance, I applied the find to the Festburg Find.

I joined the site at that time and made my initial posts of what I had purchased.

I could not tie the color of back of my cards to anything substantial, so, I figured Festburg was the logical fit at the time, based solely on the thread.

While I may have changed my opinion since then, I'm still not exactly sure the origin of what I have. That is just me either hoping or injected doubt from additional information that has been discussed after that thread was basically closed.


One thing I have outstanding questions I have not seen discussed is card stock used and the thickness of a card stock from a bond Bread card verses a Sports Star Subject set, verses a Festberg find card.

My thoughts on this:

1. All three card stock thicknesses are different.
2. Bond and Sports card stock measure the same thickness
3. Sports card stock and the Festberg card stock are the same thickness.

There is probably another option here but I would believe that card stock and the thickness of that card stock can be a data point to rule in or out certain items.

And from all the above, my own selfish reason that I want to believe the set I bought can be designated and dated to the 47 era. Thus making my cards worth more. Right now they are a $255.00 oddity. Still ain't selling them though.

Butch Turner

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Johnphotoman

Exhibitman, Here are some of my notes, In 1947 , the ESCO, Exhibt Supply Co. in Chicago produced baseball exhibit cards. Esco printed post cards size cards that were usually black and white. Sold the cards in penny arcade machines.
Some catalogs from that time suggest they produced sets of 32 or 64 cards each yeard., resulting in about 465 cards total. I do not have the source from where I save this information. They produced Exhibit cards from 1920-1960.
The Standard catalog of vintage baseball cards- List W461 Bond Bread Exhibits.

This popped up on my search today:
https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/757388

https://www.deanscards.com/c/837/194...9jMvJjc1z4btMr

I Just did a Google search: AI Overview

In 1947, the Exhibit Supply Company (ESCO) primarily printed trading cards featuring popular movie stars and athletes, which were dispensed through their vending machines located in various establishments like theaters and soda fountains; these cards are often referred to as "Exhibit Cards" and are considered a collectible item today.
Key points about Exhibit Supply Company cards in 1947:
Variety of subjects:
The cards featured a wide range of celebrities, including Hollywood actors, actresses, athletes, and sometimes even pin-up models.
Vending machine distribution:
These cards were designed to be dispensed from special vending machines owned by ESCO, which were placed in public locations.
Frequent updates: New sets of cards were printed regularly, ensuring a constant supply of fresh content for collectors.

It is this kind of information where I had drawn my conclusions from. John

None of that ties ESCO to these cards. More important are the indicators that these are not an ESCO product. The 'Bond Bread' cards are on a different stock and have different dimensions than Exhibit cards. Physically, there is nothing to tie them to the ESCO products except approximate size. Also, every example of an ESCO product that was made for a specific promotion for another company uses the ESCO base set with a back-printed ad: Dad's Cookies, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Triple Nickel Books. Some have stamped backs, like the Holloway Black Cow Sucker promotion. The only Exhibit cards that look remotely like these are the Canadian cards from 1953 and the origins of that set are not entirely clear. It uses ESCO-created images but they are 2nd generation with a number added in a small diamond at the bottom:

[Johnphotoman]

Exhibitman- I was not showing proof that ESCO -printing the Exhibit cards, I was just showing you why I did believe that the Exhibit cards were printed by ESCO. I now believe that we can say we do not know who printed the Exhibit cards. John

[Johnphotoman]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

"We know the Exhibit Supply Co., printed up the 1947 Bond Bread Exhibits, which has many of the same images that Bond Bread used."

We do? I've never seen any evidence of that. The physical characteristics of the cards do not match ESCO products. Please elaborate.

Exhibitman- very nice Exhibit cards. I think there is some confusion by what I said. I never thought that the Exhibit cards were Bond Bread. I did not mean to imply that Exhibit cards were the same as the Bond Bread cards. What I said was: "Let’s nor forget that Bond Bread did not manufacture or print their own cards. They had to get permission to use the images on the cards. The company or people who had the images, probably licensed out those images to many different people and organizations to use.

It could be that Aarco playing card company had the rights to the images (license) and is the printing Co. that printed up all the many varieties of cards we have. But that is just a theory. We know the Exhibit Supply Co., printed up the 1947 Bond Bread Exhibits, which has many of the same images that Bond Bread used."

I only used the term (1947 Bond Bread Exhibits), because that is how they are identified. The point that I was trying to make ... is that Aarco playing card company printed the Bond Bread cards, and ESCO printed the Exhibit cards, which are identified as 1947 Bond Bread Exhibits. I am sorry If I imply that Bond Bread cards and Exhibit cards were the same.

My question goes back to my point... does this mean the Exhibit cards shown here are from ESCO? And Does this imply - that they printed the Exhibit cards, classified as 1947 Bond Bread Exhibit? Can you clarify? Thanks John.

[Johnphotoman]

butchie t- In post #2 through #15 in this thread, we were having a conversation on a set of cards you purchased back in May of 1990 from the Baseball Card Society.

Question: In the original thread posted by rdwyer-post 200, he posted a letter from the Baseball card society. Do you remember that letter and is it the same letter you posted in this thread #15?

Question: Do you remember Ted Z's response to that letter?

I quoted Ted Z's response and evaluation of that letter in the original thread in post #12 of this thread. I quoted Ted Z exactly word for word.
For some reason I can not find that post by Ted Z, but this is what he said about that letter.

"This document appears to be the evidence regarding the source of the RE-printed "1947 Bond Bread" cards which David Festberg discovered in a NJ warehouse in the 1980's. It is not dated, however in its text it implies a circa 1980's date, which does coincide with Festberg's find. Plus, the fact that 24 cards are being advertised. The original BOND BREAD set of cards consists of 48 cards.

When I first saw these cards in the early 1990's at the Philly Show, I purchased several of them. When I got home, I compared them to my original 1947 BOND BREAD cards, which I collected in my youth. And, it was very obvious, that these were inferior reproductions." TED Z

I read the letters, and nowhere does it say anything like Ted Z said!

Question: Am I wrong or am I missing something here? And is it because of what Ted Z said about that letter: you said in post #412- “Here is my Jackie Robinson, front and back for comparison. I purchased this along with the other 23 way back in May of 1990 from the Baseball Card Society. What I know up to now, it is part of the Festberg find.”

butchie t, I believe you have a different set of cards, then the ones we see all the time, and they are definitely not from the Festberg find, more to come on this, I will explain. For now I await your answers. Thanks John

[Johnphotoman]

Original post 384: We can use this as a guide.

Quote: UK Card Guy: “I recently picked up a lot of 7 "1947 Bond Bread cards" fairly cheaply. (I also got a couple of 1948 Kelloggs Pep cards with the lot). Based on this thread, I think only my Sheldon Jones is a true Bond Bread with the others being Sports Star Subjects

From what I can tell from the images; all the cards are from the Festberg discovered in a NJ warehouse in the 1980's. The backs look like they are Ivory in color, to me, if they are white then yes they are from the Sports Star Subject. All but the Sheldon Jones card, that is, we don’t have a good image of the back, but it could be a Sports star Subject card, it does look white, but if it has a cream white back, it would be a Bond Bread insert card. Sheldon Jones card is the fourth card with round corners. John

[butchie_t]

butchie t- In post #2 through #15 in this thread, we were having a conversation on a set of cards you purchased back in May of 1990 from the Baseball Card Society.

Question: In the original thread posted by rdwyer-post 200, he posted a letter from the Baseball card society. Do you remember that letter and is it the same letter you posted in this thread #15?

I remember that letter and it is the same on I have and posted later in that thread.
https://net54baseball.com/showpost.p...&postcount=377

I posted the letters that I received from BCS and that was one of the 2 letters regarding the set.

I can tell you for a fact that I received this letter in the early 90's while I was a member of BCS and stationed overseas. As you can see by the 3 paged letter, I had made my purchase of the set 1 May 90. I still have the invoice from that purchase as well.
https://www.net54baseball.com/showpo...1&postcount=15

Question: Do you remember Ted Z's response to that letter?
Going through the thread, Ted never really commented directly about that letter from what I could see. I did phrase searches using the below information, never found any matches.

I quoted Ted Z's response and evaluation of that letter in the original thread in post #12 of this thread. I quoted Ted Z exactly word for word.
For some reason I can not find that post by Ted Z, but this is what he said about that letter.

"This document appears to be the evidence regarding the source of the RE-printed "1947 Bond Bread" cards which David Festberg discovered in a NJ warehouse in the 1980's. It is not dated, however in its text it implies a circa 1980's date, which does coincide with Festberg's find. Plus, the fact that 24 cards are being advertised. The original BOND BREAD set of cards consists of 48 cards.

When I first saw these cards in the early 1990's at the Philly Show, I purchased several of them. When I got home, I compared them to my original 1947 BOND BREAD cards, which I collected in my youth. And, it was very obvious, that these were inferior reproductions." TED Z

I read the letters, and nowhere does it say anything like Ted Z said!

Question: Am I wrong or am I missing something here? And is it because of what Ted Z said about that letter: you said in post #412- “Here is my Jackie Robinson, front and back for comparison. I purchased this along with the other 23 way back in May of 1990 from the Baseball Card Society. What I know up to now, it is part of the Festberg find.”

Based strictly on the information contained within that thread, and my limited knowledge of the cards, I certainly made the assumption that they were from the Festberg find. I had no reason to believe otherwise.

butchie t, I believe you have a different set of cards, then the ones we see all the time, and they are definitely not from the Festberg find, more to come on this, I will explain. For now I await your answers. Thanks John[/QUOTE]

John, maybe they are not from the Festberg find. I know the cards backs that I have do not match the Festberg examples that have been posted subsequently. And even abctoo had several interactions with Ted as well. I believe abctoo is still active on this site and am somewhat curious as to him not weighing in on this thread.

Anyway, that is what I have for now.

B.T.

[Johnphotoman]

butchie t, thank you. I am on the track of your cards, I don't know if we can say 100% what they are, but we can say 98% what they are not. Still compiling the evidence we have to date. I hope to be able to give clear answers to many of the questions we have about your cards and the others.

We do need more people to post. I, too, am curious as to why people are not weighing in on this thread. Maybe because it seems that I am criticizing Ted Z. But I am very thankful for Ted Z, and admire the work he has done. I just want to get to the bottom of this Bond Bread thing.

I know I said - I believe Ted Z had an agenda, that is just my opinion, I do not want to paint Ted Z in a bad light, thanks to him, we can have this conversation but with the good comes the bad.

I formed my opinion of Ted Z having an agenda after combing through the old thread. The letter from the Baseball Card Society and Ted Z's response and evaluation of that letter is what had me come to the conclusion Ted Z had an agenda

I quoted Ted Z exactly word for word. I did not change or add anything to Ted Z comments. I know I copy his comments in response to the Baseball Card Society letter. Since I had posted those comments- I can not find them! The only reasons I can think of are: it was in another thread, or someone removed them. I do not know enough on how the thread actually works to say if this could happen. John

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Johnphotoman

butchie t, thank you. I am on the track of your cards, I don't know if we can say 100% what they are, but we can say 98% what they are not. Still compiling the evidence we have to date. I hope to be able to give clear answers to many of the questions we have about your cards and the others.

We do need more people to post. I, too, am curious as to why people are not weighing in on this thread. Maybe because it seems that I am criticizing Ted Z. But I am very thankful for Ted Z, and admire the work he has done. I just want to get to the bottom of this Bond Bread thing.

I know I said - I believe Ted Z had an agenda, that is just my opinion, I do not want to paint Ted Z in a bad light, thanks to him, we can have this conversation but with the good comes the bad.

I formed my opinion of Ted Z having an agenda after combing through the old thread. The letter from the Baseball Card Society and Ted Z's response and evaluation of that letter is what had me come to the conclusion Ted Z had an agenda

I quoted Ted Z exactly word for word. I did not change or add anything to Ted Z comments. I know I copy his comments in response to the Baseball Card Society letter. Since I had posted those comments- I can not find them! The only reasons I can think of are: it was in another thread, or someone removed them. I do not know enough on how the thread actually works to say if this could happen. John

John, what you're looking for is in this thread https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...light=Document

[butchie_t]

I am confident Leon is not the kind of person that would delete a thread or a post in a thread. It is still out there somewhere.

That entire string was archived when Leon swapped databases or platforms, not sure which. But, it is in its entirety from what I can see.

And I know that you are not inferring in your comment that he did it, just that you cannot find it.

Regards,

B.T.


Great find Pat!!

I just searched the archived thread and looked nowhere else.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...light=Document