1914 Baltimore News Babe Ruth in Heritage

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

"Have Net54 not be without Yoda already?"

brianp-mebe

Thank you, Brian, for recognizing that I reside here on this benevolent site. You will recall that it was I who taught Luke the way of the Jedi and empowered him with the Force. How he used the Force is up to history to determine.
May the, oh Hell, you know the rest.

[Eric72]

Since we’re still talking about Luke, he went at least 1-for-2 on Hoth. He got shot down; however, he took out an AT-AT by himself.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Eric72

Since we’re still talking about Luke, he went at least 1-for-2 on Hoth. He got shot down; however, he took out an AT-AT by himself.

Plus he got mauled by the Wampa on Hoth, but then chopped off an arm on the way out.

[Brent G.]

Originally Posted by raulus

Plus he got mauled by the Wampa on Hoth, but then chopped off an arm on the way out.

Great call on the AT-AT — the Battle of Hoth was like ‘98 Yankees vs. Padres except for the Luke outlier.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Brent G.

Great call on the AT-AT — the Battle of Hoth was like ‘98 Yankees vs. Padres except for the Luke outlier.

Memories of that Battle hoth giving me pain...I had tickets for game 5.

Brian

[jchcollins]

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[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

Do we know that the card actually changed hands, such that a " $3.2M loss" actually occurred?

[Jay Wolt]

& wouldn't Heritage give an additional 5 to 12% of the hammer to the consignor?

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

& wouldn't Heritage give an additional 5 to 12% of the hammer to the consignor?

If you're talking about the BP, then I think their calculations assume that 100% of the BP is going to the consignor. If less than 100% went to the consignor, then the loss would be larger. Assuming, of course, that the item actually sold to a 3rd party.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

Do we know that the card actually changed hands, such that a " $3.2M loss" actually occurred?

We do not know that but what we do absolutely know is that no advanced hobbyist should be following Geoff Wilson.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

We do not know that but what we do absolutely know is that no advanced hobbyist should be following Geoff Wilson.

Someone should put that question in a poll. The results might wind up being unanimous.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

We do not know that but what we do absolutely know is that no advanced hobbyist should be following Geoff Wilson.

Oh, I dunno, he's entertaining. Very funny...albeit unintentionally.

[barrysloate]

Hi All- it's been ages since I last posted but I was very curious about what happened to the sale of this Ruth card. And as I checked the thread I saw my name as one of the people who once offered a Baltimore News Ruth so I thought I would share the story.

It was not in any of my auctions but in a direct sale and was available for purchase. It was a blue one, had a decent front but serious back damage. If there is a list of the ten known specimens it would be easy to pick out. I think the price we offered it for was either 16K or 18K, don't remember exactly.

I had it for about a month a not a single person even asked about it. I had a pretty good mailing list back then and I'm sure most of the heavy hitters knew about it. I ended up returning it to my consignor.

Back in those days it was considered a piece of memorabilia, an interesting schedule card that happened to picture Babe Ruth. It was certainly important, but not on the level it is today.

Of course it doesn't explain how the Heritage one took such a hit. I guess when it sold in REA two people had to have it, and that didn't happen this time. Anyway, I remember being disappointed I wasn't able to sell it, but it was one of the examples that really lacked eye appeal.

[oldjudge]

When I saw this post the music from the Resurrection Symphony came on in my head. Hi Barry! I know the card you are talking about. It has a little piece out of the lower left and back damage. However, if you place your thumb over the lower left and don't turn it over it is the nicest looking BN Ruth in the hobby.

[barrysloate]

Hi Jay,
Hope you are well. I'm looking at the picture on your avatar and I am guessing you are a proud grandfather!

[bcbgcbrcb]

Hi Barry:

I’m probably pretty close to Jay’s age and have a 12 year old son, not a grandson. Imagine what that is like…….

[barrysloate]

Hi Phil- sounds like a wonderful handful.

[Rhotchkiss]

Nice to see you post again Barry. I remember when “Barry bowed out” (posted your goodbye thread). I think about that often bc there have been several times over the years I had enough of some members and the same BS and I thought about bowing out myself. I never went that far - the good here just far outweighs the bad- although I have gone dark for periods. Anyway, I was sad when you went away bc you had great knowledge.i don’t know if you are “back” but it’s sure nice to see you post

[bcbgcbrcb]

Thanks, Barry. I hope you have been well. Miss our dialogue during the early years on Net54.

[barrysloate]

Thanks Phil. I am doing well but in 2023 I had open heart surgery. Pretty scary thing, a total surprise, and a very difficult recovery. Fortunately I am healthy now.

I really dropped off the board because I no longer actively collect. Sure I got a little burned out too but I have mostly happy memories of the years I spent in the industry. I still have some of my favorite memorabilia but I haven't bought anything in years. No regrets.

[ruth-gehrig]

Hi Barry! Looking at your profile and seeing a collecting interest of "baseball display pieces" really makes me wonder what kind of amazing pieces you have and hung onto. I remember seeing so many great advertising pieces in the early auction catalogs that I've never seen since. They went somewhere

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Thanks Phil. I am doing well but in 2023 I had open heart surgery. Pretty scary thing, a total surprise, and a very difficult recovery. Fortunately I am healthy now.

I really dropped off the board because I no longer actively collect. Sure I got a little burned out too but I have mostly happy memories of the years I spent in the industry. I still have some of my favorite memorabilia but I haven't bought anything in years. No regrets.

[Snapolit1]

The pool of people who will pay crazy ass money for a small piece of carboard is much shallower than many people on the board want to believe.

[Leon]

Hey Barry
Good to see you post. Glad you got over your surgery. That is a biggie especially at our age!
I remember that BN Ruth that you had. I thought I saw it first in a hard copy, ad sheet y'all (you and Jerry) sent out? I am sure you recall better than I, but I knew the price was under 20k. Times change. Who would have known?

Say hi to Judy for me and hope all is well your way, otherwise! I miss the grammar police sometimes.

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Thanks Phil. I am doing well but in 2023 I had open heart surgery. Pretty scary thing, a total surprise, and a very difficult recovery. Fortunately I am healthy now.

I really dropped off the board because I no longer actively collect. Sure I got a little burned out too but I have mostly happy memories of the years I spent in the industry. I still have some of my favorite memorabilia but I haven't bought anything in years. No regrets.

[edhans]

Great to hear from you, Barry and glad that you're back to full health. The board was a better place with your knowledge and wisdom.

[Baseball Rarities]

Hi Barry - Good to hear from you. Glad to hear that you are on the mend.

Here is the one of the images from your 2001 sale list.

[calvindog]

Why do I have a vague memory of this being Jay’s? Am I imagining this? 😂

[paul]

Barry, great to see you post again, and I'm happy to hear you have recovered from your surgery.

[Yoda]

Barry, so glad that you might be making a peek back into the hobby again. But mostly that you are still on the right side of the grass.
I sometimes recall that great pizza place we used to frequent when I would drop off a consignment to you in Brooklyn. John
P.S. And a 12 year old son! You old dog.

[Al C.risafulli]

Barry, what a pleasure to see you. Glad to hear you're back in good health (the open heart surgery was news to me).

Stay well!

-Al

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

I had it for about a month a not a single person even asked about it. I had a pretty good mailing list back then and I'm sure most of the heavy hitters knew about it. I ended up returning it to my consignor.
Back in those days it was considered a piece of memorabilia, an interesting schedule card that happened to picture Babe Ruth. It was certainly important, but not on the level it is today. Of course it doesn't explain how the Heritage one took such a hit. I guess when it sold in REA two people had to have it, and that didn't happen this time. Anyway, I remember being disappointed I wasn't able to sell it, but it was one of the examples that really lacked eye appeal.

Thanks for the story, I love hearing that kind of hobby history. Question: You say it was regarded as memorabilia, but it's from a set with other Orioles players similar to the Washington Times set a couple years earlier, right? And its meteoric rise is pretty recent, unlike the Wagner that has always brought top dollar going back a hundred years, no? Makes me wonder if there are any other vintage cards lurking for that kind of ascendance, or is this a one-off? And $4 million doesn't seem like much of a hit to me, regardless of the previous example, especially given your story of this one that no one wanted for a price lots of stuff was going for at the time. Thanks again, Barry, I would love to hear more of your stories and experiences.

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Makes me wonder if there are any other vintage cards lurking for that kind of ascendance, or is this a one-off?

In recent years (last 5), Bond Bread limited regional releases are now considered RCs for Jackie Robinson by many - not all - and Exhibit cards took off which were not really collected as much as standard sized trading cards.

Even larger oversized issues are getting more accepted now that PSA built a larger slab to put items in. That's one place you could look at.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by swarmee

In recent years (last 5), Bond Bread limited regional releases are now considered RCs for Jackie Robinson by many - not all - and Exhibit cards took off which were not really collected as much as standard sized trading cards. Even larger oversized issues are getting more accepted now that PSA built a larger slab to put items in. That's one place you could look at.

Thanks, John, but I meant possibly poised to join Wags and the Ruth in the stratosphere.

[molenick]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Barry, so glad that you might be making a peek back into the hobby again. But mostly that you are still on the right side of the grass.
I sometimes recall that great pizza place we used to frequent when I would drop off a consignment to you in Brooklyn. John
P.S. And a 12 year old son! You old dog.

In case this confused some people (like me) Barry does not have 12-year-old son. That was a post by Phil Garry.

[theshowandme]

Seller should have defensive shill bid imo

[raulus]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

Seller should have defensive shill bid imo

Do we really know that they didn’t? It’s possible that it might have gone for even less, and the seller helped to prop it up to this level, potentially even winning it back if they ended up with the top bid.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

Seller should have defensive shill bid imo

Dr. Beckett appears to have stepped in it.


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[oldjudge]

Yes, Barry, we now have four grandchildren--three girls and a boy. I was unaware of your surgery and am glad you are fully recovered. Stay well my friend and love to Judy!

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by molenick

In case this confused some people (like me) Barry does not have 12-year-old son. That was a post by Phil Garry.

Normal confusion. Posts mixed up. Credit to Phil given, and Barry aren't you glad you don't have a 12 year old son.