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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: leon
Hello sir, |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: david
i would like to ask mr lemke why old judge spotted ties are priced so low. i realized that they are not offered at auction all that often but when they do they certainly go for more then a common would in the same grade yet they are priced nearly identical in the guide. |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: Lee Behrens
Hi David, |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: Hankron
As a 'It's worth to you what it sells for' type of guy, I use price guides as a checklist/description, and the listed prices as a general/relative guide to rarity combined with popularity. |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: runscott
but, I agree with Lee to an extent. A price guide needs to acurately reflect market values AT THE TIME the guide is compiled, but everyone has to realize that these prices include avenues of purchase other than ebay - I'm sure there are collectors out there who buy only from retailers via sales catalogs, and think they are getting a great deal if they pay anything less than SCBC guide value. |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: Julian
I was just writing to thank Bob Lemke for page 314, middle column, bottom image. I have received my copy of the 2004 Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards. I'm thrilled to have a card of mine, shared with everybody else's contributions from previous years. |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: dan mckee
I have been contributing for years and so has dad. I believe our (his) name used to be in the book. Some of the new pictures are mine like the properly cut 1941 goudey. I have never received a free copy nor do I expect to. I am happy paying for the book. I know Al S. of Washington has been getting a comp copy for years, and I have paid for mine each of those years, it has never bothered me. my 2 cents. |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: leon
It was more of a principle issue....that's all...and if I get a comp copy "great", if not, then I will still happily buy the book just like I did this year.....and the previous 7 or so years..........regards all |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: david
according to your reasoning then a spotted tie is only slightly more rare then a common old judge. it is one thing to have pricing that is off it is another to have pricing that borders on the absurd. when was the last time a member of this board saw an old judge spotted tie for 800 in near-mint as listed in the guide. as an educational tool for new collectors the guide is doing them a great disservice by pricing extremely rare cards well below their actual value. |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: Eric (goudeyhunter)
I just wanted to jump in with my thoughts here, as I can relate to what's being said in these comments. I too have sent a good deal of newly found vintage material to Bob Lemke, and by my own accord, I'm glad to do it. I sent, and will continue to send vintage card information, because I like to help the hobby progress. In return, all I asked of Mr. Lemke was that he list me as a contributor to the publication(names are found on one of the first pages of the SCD). Bob gladly did this, and I feel honored to be included amongst the other contributors listed. |
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Posted By: Bob Lemke
There are no specific guidelines for earning contributor's copies of the big book. Factoring in are such things as how much work was it for the contributor and how much for me to add the particular items; how much does it add to the book's sales potential; can the same information (listings, photos) be found elsewhere; what is the level of the contributer's overall support of the SCD "family"; will the contribution support a "Standard Catalog Update" column in SCD, etc. Most importantly is the question: How much does this information benefit the individual collector-reader and the hobby as a whole? In general, provision of a 50-card checklist, a newly issued SGA team set or a handful of new/replacement photos doesn't warrant the comp copy, while providing the first-ever 2,500-card J.D. McCarthy checklist does. Anything in between is a judgement call. Maybe I'm just being a cheap old bastard, but I feel every generation of collectors owes a debt to those who came before them and provided the bedrock data on which books such as this are based. That debt is repaid by expanding on the body of knowledge for future collectors. |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: Charlie
I agree 100% Eric. The book can only be made better with comtributions. |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: leon
After not too much thought (it was so obvious) I agree with ya'll. I want to help, just like I always have. My original posts sounded greedy. Obviously too, that was not my intention, as I don't think I am, and I don't think most folks would say I am........(not everone can say that) All I can say is there were some underlying thoughts on my initial post. Mr.Lemke took the high road, as usual, on this issue and I appreciate it. I will continue to help in any way I can, as I already do. I will buy my book next year, the year after, and hopefully years after those. I apologize for my seemingly "greediness" guys. .....(and girl)...now carry on....breast regards |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: scott brockelman
care to elaborate on "breast regards" and get yourself in more posting ping pong??? |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: TBob
Sandwiched in between Leon (Luckey) and Bill (Mastro) in the alphabetical acknowledgements listings. Couldn't ask for a better spot |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: Julie
as listed in the 2004 Catalogue for the price I paid |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: TBob
??????? |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: John(z28jd)
Bob,its best if you just shake your head is disbelief and move on,dont try to figure it out. I know keep a pillow on my computer desk just in case i accidently read one of you know whos posts(im not gonna mention her name as i dont want to offend her)I was getting bad headaches from pounding my head on the desk.Now i just get dizzy and fall asleep |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: Julie
the new Old Judge section lists him for. I paid it to one of the major contributors to the Old judge section. |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: John(z28jd)
I think Bob meant,where the heck did that statement come from not what are you trying to say.Its obvious you missed his "p[oint" |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: TBob
The gist of my post was that I didn't understand your post, Julie. I understand you said you paid 4 times too much for a card, but were you implying that major contributors charge too much or that being a major contributor he inflated the price in the SCD so you would pay more for the card? I just don't get your point. |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: Robert
I have one question about the T206 errors. Why is it that the only errors you list are the ones missing red ink? Why do you not list cards that have wrong colors,missing colors or cards that have ghost images on them? They are errors to. Robert {Bigb13} |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: Julie
I bought the card late LAST YEAR--from Jay Miller (who charges a lot for cards, but has a lot of great ones)for mucho deniro. Then I read that Jay got==not just a free Catalogue, or his name mentioned, but a whole sentence, thanking him for his contributions to the Old Judge section of the new Catalogue. In that new catalogue, ALL Radbournes list for 1800 in near mint. (Of course I know that Lemke had the last word on prices, and I'm sure he didn't get any advice from Jay on the listing for the Radbourne! Mine was a portrait, by the way.) |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: Hankron
It's a safe guess that Bob wishes he had never mentioned sending someone a free catalog. |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: Jay Miller
Just to set the record straight I had no input on Old Judge prices. The extent of my involvement related to information on additional players, team variations and poses and some suggestions on format. Also, I never asked for a comp copy and had no idea I was getting one until Bob's post. |
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Posted By: Julie
I was right there, reading the thread, when you asked someone for a xerox of the Old Judge section. Then someone pointed out that Lemke had thanked you for your help with the (must have been painstaking) work of the new organization and listings in the Old Judge section. I never said you asked for a free catalogue. |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: Julie
I was right there, reading the thread, when you asked someone for a xerox of the Old Judge section. Then someone pointed out that Lemke had thanked you for your help with the (must have been painstaking) work of the new organization and listings in the Old Judge section. I never said you asked for a free catalogue. |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: Julie
I was right there, reading the thread, when you asked someone for a xerox of the Old Judge section. Then someone pointed out that Lemke had thanked you for your help with the (must have been painstaking) work of the new organization and listings in the Old Judge section. I never said you asked for a free catalogue. |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: J.
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: Jay Miller
Julie--I had no problem with anything you said. I still love you even if you forgot my birthday this year. I was just trying to clear up my involvement in the project. |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: halleygator
I just want to say that I have also overpaid Jay on many occasions ... |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: Jay Miller
Hal--I did but it was too late to get the changes in this year. Keep your eye out for next year's catalog; they will be adjusted in there. |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: halleygator
I'm glad to know that YOU are keeping a list of what I paid you for those Old Judge cards! |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: Bob Lemke
"wait 'til next year!" The current (2004) SCBC, in all but a few cases, lists N172 prices only by player/team combination, not by pose. Next year, there will be a by-pose appendix for N172 Hall of Famers. Obviously, the Radbourn portrait card(s) will be listed higher than the later "action" poses. Based on recorded sales of the past six months, if I were going to press today, the portrait would be about $7,000 NM; $3,150 EX and $2,000 VG. What the final "book" value of the card(s) will be in the 2005 edition remains to be seen. In the current (2004) edition it would have been a greater disservice to the hobby to price all Radbourn cards at the level of the scarcest/most desireable, rather than at the level of the most commonly encountered examples. Disparities such as this are why the effort is being made to create a by-pose HoF listing for N172. And to reiterate what Jay Miller said, he had no input into the pricing of the listings . . . nor did two other frequenters of this forum who asked for and received advanced printouts but did not return any suggested value data. |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: Hankron
The 2004 is barely out and he's already promoting the 2005. What a pro! |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: halleygator
Mr. Lemke is opening the door and inviting you to be "The Man" who sets the price for Old Judge cards!! |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: Hankron
I have a quantity of 1988 Tidewater Tides Sets (Gregg Jeffries) that could use some 'price editing' for the 2005 guide |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: Hankron
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: Anonymous
Many thanks to Bob, Jay, and others for a much improved format. And thanks to Bob for a more accurate market value listing for reference. I was happy to see Ned Hanlon fall back to a reasonable price behind Dan Brouthers & Sam Thompson (poses shown with Detroit): |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: Halleygator
Now THAT is funny!!! |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: warshawlaw
would anyone in the know sell me the card for the price listed? I find it hard to believe that any OJ HOFer would sell for under $1K in honest vg condition in today's market. |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: runscott
for $850 on ebay right now...and it's been there so long it's getting stale. |
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Mr. Lemke
Posted By: leon
my worst damn thread yet and it won't die....my luck.....better go home and hit the porch (or was that torch ? ) |
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