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Suggestions for Grading Companies
Posted By: Matt
A comment by Alan in another thread, got me thinking of suggestions we may have for the grading companies on what they can do to improve their services (I'm limiting my comments to improvements no grading company that I am aware of currently employ): |
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Posted By: Joe D.
I like the UV idea. |
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Posted By: Jon Canfield
Communication between the "big" grading companies so when a cross-over is received, the grading company alerts the former that the cert is being removed from the population. |
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Posted By: Matt
Joe - good stuff; as far as SGC changing the form of their slabs I would think that any major grading company would be reluctant to changing the external dimensions of their slab since it would make stacking with the current form factor impossible. They have chosen the dimensions of their slabs and are basically "stuck" at this point. |
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Posted By: T206Collector
...back my first two pre-war cards back from Beckett/JSA. The holders look awesome except -- and this is huge -- those damn baggies. |
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Posted By: Rob
good suggestions above. the only one i'd disagree with is for beckett - easier crackability. I think its good that their slabs are hard to crack, as it means less chance of foul play. Both sgc and psa have had instances of either cards getting swapped, or the labels. I believe Kevin Saucier said he wasn't able to take apart a BVG slab and put it back w/o significant signs of tampering ... correct me if i'm wrong (which is often, hee hee). I think thats a good thing. |
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Posted By: Anonymous
Won't happen, but make it transparent who submitted cards so a potential buyer can know from whence they came. |
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Posted By: Eric Brehm
For PSA: stop changing the rules in the middle of the game. Get it right the first time. |
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Posted By: Anthony S.
I think SGC rocks, with one huge caveat: The population reports. I only use them as a resource when I'm selling. |
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Posted By: leon
When you collect based on true rarity and not only condition rarity then who needs a pop report? |
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Posted By: Matt
Anthony - to pick up on your frustration, I think both PSA and SGC should look to how VCP allows searching and use that as a template for their pop reports. PSA, to the best of my knowledge, only allows searching based on name and browsing based on year. You'd have to know that PSA thinks E101s come from 1909 to be able to get a pop list of the set. SGC, as you mentioned, is even more difficult. The VCP setup allows you to search by brand name, player, ACC# and card-type. |
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Posted By: Anthony S.
I neglected to mention that certain sets, T206 for example, in the SGC pop reports (and if memory serves the PSA pop reports as well) are listed alphabetically....by first name. Want to find the T206 Alperman? Go to the last page of the report and look under Whitey. Forget that Davidson's first name is Paul? Pull up a chair and scroll a while. |
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Posted By: Mark
The UV protection seems like a no-brainer that should have been applied from the onset. Even those cheap plastic Ball Cubes have UV protection. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Please pay more attention to the photo quality of Old Judges and less attention to minor paper loss on the back. |
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Posted By: Joe D.
that is a great one barry! |
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Posted By: Matt
Mark - great point on the scratch proofing; I don't have any idea of what the additional cost would be, but I wouldn't mind a $1 raise in slab price to cover it. It seems silly that after paying to have a card protected in a hard plastic holder, you then go and buy a plastic sleeve to protect the holder. |
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Posted By: boxingcardman
1. Free beer while waiting in line to drop off submittals at the National. |
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Posted By: JimB
Eric, |
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Posted By: Alan U
I agree with the post above about SGC's population reports and also don't like having to know the year (or at least the year PSA attaches to a card) in order to look up cards on PSA's population reports, especially on more obscure issues. |
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Posted By: Robert Klevens
How accurate is the population report anyway? I believe many cards are broken out of the holders and submitted again which screws up the population report anyway. |
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Posted By: Matt
I don't think anyone claims the pop reports are 100% accurate, but they certainly can help in determining relative rarity. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Adam- Good list, but you left one out: |
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Posted By: Eric Brehm
JimB -- yes, if PSA were to include a line item showing the total number in each grade for each pose, regardless of back type, that would largely solve the problem. Or better yet, go to a hierarchical system like SGC uses, where you can click on the line showing the totals and then see the detailed stats by back type. Either way, the "Unknown Back" cards, which still comprise over 70% of the graded T206 population, are going to be with us for a long time to come. |
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Posted By: Matt
SGC has an "unknown pose" problem of their own on the T206s, which they are slowly rectifying. |
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Posted By: Eric B
How about when you type in the word "Coupon", the pop report first takes you to the T206 White Border set. |
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Posted By: Fred C
Stop assigning numerical grades. Authenticate the card and be done with it. I've seen enough graded cards that have imperfections not consistent with the grade. For example, I've seen enough cards with small paper pulls and they are graded 3's or 4's (and even higher). Authenticate the card and let the buyer beware when purchasing. Cards will then be purchased for their true aesthics rather than for the number on the slab label. Haven't we seen enough variance in subjectivity to make us want to vomit? |
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Posted By: Mark Anderson
Great ideas in this thread. Of course I know these are directed all over the place - some at a particular company and some at all companies, but I will actually be going through them more in depth (probably after the National is over and I have time to breathe again) to discuss things BVG/BGS can look into. |
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Posted By: Matt
Mark - first of all, kudos for listening and replying here for further discussion; responsiveness to your customer base can only lead to good things. Also, it is excellent that BVG uses UV in their slabs - I am of the understanding that PSA and SGC do not. |
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Posted By: Mark Anderson
Hi Matt, |
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Posted By: Matt
Again, thanks for the informative response. One question - do you actually get close to 1 million submissions a year that your calculations above hold true, or is that just a calculation with the possibility of scaling the company to dominate the grading world in mind? |
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Posted By: leon
Mark can answer but I have been in their grading room a few times....It's a major production with lots of folks in cubicles with their heads down and machines running. It's really cool....and a fairly major situation. You have to remember the Beckett name in the newer stuff. There is way way more of that than what most of us imagine....... regards |
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Posted By: boxingcardman
Mark, the posters on this board appreciate your taking the time to come in here and respond to issues involving the grading business. |
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Posted By: Sean
Matt, |
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Posted By: Mark Anderson
The one million cards per year is a reasonable (and conservative) estimate. Exact numbers are confidential, but knowing we use sequential serial numbers, and growth since we first started grading in 1999, I'm not giving anything away that isn't already deducible (is that a word?) by the general public. The exact number, the breakdown of services, corporate orders, etc. are all confidential still. In the next SCD focusing on Grading, I think we mention that we've probably graded closer to 10-11 million cards with those corporate orders and such, since 1999. |
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Posted By: Matt
Sean - Scanning once they are slabbed might have other benefits as well; how helpful would it be to be able to lookup a prospective purchase and be assured that the card in the slab is the same one that the grading company put in there? |
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Posted By: Joe D.
Mark, |
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Posted By: Phil Garry
I used to purchase many Beckett graded cards when I collected high-grade modern baseball rookies like A-Rod, Jeter, Bonds, etc. in BGS 9.5 & BGS 10 grades. About 5 yeras ago, I decided that segment of the market was becoming too volatile and mover over to vintage graded cards. |
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Posted By: Mark Anderson
Phil - do you mind letting me know what the item in question was? You can email privately if you prefer. Was it oversized? |
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Posted By: Jeffrey
Personally, the sleeves are one of the biggest reasons that I use BGS for my grading. |
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Posted By: JimB
Mark, |
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Posted By: Joe D.
Jeffrey.... |
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Posted By: Kevin Saucier
The Beckett slab is the most secure (by far), this is a good thing. It is also water proof, which may not seem important but it is for the unsuspecting collector who uses Windex to clean the slab. Most other holders just suck it right in like a sponge. Some worse and faster than others. |
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Posted By: Phil Garry
Mark: |
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Posted By: Jeffrey
Joe D., |
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Posted By: Bilko G
I am a huge collector of graded cards and have graded items of all companies in my collection with BGS having the most. Im very happy to hear that Mark has confirmed that BGS/BVG DOES use some UV protection on their slabs, i always have a few slabs on display, but will feel a lot better knowing of this UV protection. I, like Jeffery, have no problems whatsoever scanning the BVG slabs on they turn out crystal clear, actually it is very hard to even notice the inner sleeve, from the scan. I also would HATE to see BGS get rid of the inner sleeve, to me, along with their tamper proof and water proof slabs is what sets them above the other companies and makes them my grader of choice. Personally, i can't stand how many of PSA cards actually move around inside the slab. This is fine if they are in a box at home, rarely looked at, for us that travel to shows to set up, Im always so worried when they are packed up in my van or at the bottom of an airplane moving around. As far as suggestions go, most of mine have already been mentioned. The one thing id like to see though, is some sort of nice looking, padded, carrying case, made especially for graded cards. Maybe a brief case looking carrying case? I dunno, but something that offers protection, organization and style |
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Posted By: Rob
" I love that beckett gives 4 separate grades (corners, centering, edges, surface) and then an overall grade." |
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Posted By: Matt
Mark - reading through your excellent post again, I noticed something: |
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Posted By: Mark Anderson
Some responses: |
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Posted By: Jerry Hrechka
The company making the custom wood storage boxes was MJ Roop Co. and unfortunately they are out of business. I have a gorgeous monogramed Horrors of War Box I bought from them. Wish I could get another (The box holds 180 slabbed cards). |
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Posted By: Red
Are the Beckett plastic bags made from an archival quality non-PVC material? |
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