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Posted By: Bobby Binder
This guy never gives up does he, now he is on ESPN.. |
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Posted By: Rob D.
How strange that ESPN would air this, given as how the network has established itself as a beacon of journalistic integrity. |
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Posted By: ROBERT ADAMS JR
GREAT negotiation ! I,ll give you $10,000 . Nope , want $ $20,000 . And THATS it ! Like he said , Gee Whiz ! Plus want to give a weak GO BUCKEYES ! |
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Posted By: Steve Dawson
You're correct Rob...one must subscribe to ESPN Insider to see the entire clip. |
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Posted By: Anthony N.
I"m holding out for a Blue Eyed Wagner with an underprint on the back. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Are we to assume these two guys are still doubting all the naysayers, and are still holding out hope it is real? |
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Posted By: DD
Phil Weiss has a real one coming up, SCG 40, along with a lot more. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
ESPN. Isn't that the spelling bee/paintball channel, or am I thinking of Cartoon Network? |
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Posted By: paulstratton
I like the Tebow story better, an athlete giving back without having to be asked. |
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Posted By: john/z28jd
You would think by now he would've either given up because no one wants it or did research to find out why it isnt real if he somehow actually still believed it was real. I cant believe a journalist would put him on tv without doing a little research. Im sure one of the first few things that would pop up on a search engine would be his name and the story behind it. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Wow, John, awesome card. Would you be willing to accept 150K for it? |
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Posted By: john/z28jd
Sorry Jeff,I'm going to have to pass because this one is special and has grown on me.It's a blank back with a piedmont overprint and a sovereign underprint so far under that it cant be seen with the naked eye and microscopes refuse to look at it |
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Posted By: Paul D
john/z28jd ----> your statement "It's a blank back with a piedmont overprint" is wonderfully funny, near brilliance is what it is... Paul D. |
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Posted By: Steve
lol 1984 and he has no idea who Wagner is but he will pay 1800.00 |
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Posted By: Jodi Birkholm
Well put, Steve. That's the thing that got me the most. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Despicable journalism...and two experts looked at it and said the paper is consistent with the period. |
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Posted By: leon
If I remember correctly the back might be a period back glued onto the front(reprint)....so the paper guys could have tested the back and deemed the back to be period paper... Not much else to say concerning the whole silly episode, otherwise, which hasn't already been said. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
I know Leon, but on the video you could see one of the experts looking at the card under a microscope, and the front was face up. And any expert worth his salt would check the front and back. |
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Posted By: john/z28jd
Connelly is a joke,he said he could appraise the card but not authenticate it when I talked to him a couple years ago about it. Part of their proof is its a blue Piedmont back card but my scan above shows my reprint is a blue back as well so that theory goes out the window.Its just an old reprint. I got mine in 1991 after buying the last 3 t206 cards some guy had,and back then it looked old so I figured it was from the 70's,no earlier. I cant believe the guy talks to the head of a respected grading company and a guy who doesnt have another old card and gives them both a 50/50 chance of being right. Also as someone said,the fact Connelly gets to keep the card for months but a grading card company cant have it for an hour to grade while you wait? Heres an idea,take pictures of the whole thing,the card front and back,you handing the card in,you waiting,you getting the card back and finally the disappointed look on your face when you see their assessment. |
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Posted By: anthony
i dont know what happened to my other post but in a nutshell.... |
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Posted By: anthony
i dont know what happened to my other post but in a nutshell.... |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
PSA would never bend their hard and fast ethical rules for anyone, so just forget about that idea. |
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Posted By: Anonymous
I've seen numerous cases where people have brought up obvious reprints of Wagner, etc. to the big grading companies at shows and the companies have told them simply "save your money." I remember being at PSA's table 7-8 years ago - exact scenario happened. I was talking with Rocchi, and a fellow walked up with a couple of cards, including a Wagner. We both told him, please, save your money. |
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Posted By: J. McMurry
I saw this today and wondered what the regulars on this board had to say about it. It made net54 look bad imo. I think the only reason ESPN covered this is so that they could play the race angle,(otherwise there's not much to the story). I know the quotes posted from net54 were excerpts,but they were presented in a way that fed the race question. I do agree with the NY Daily news guy that this board probably should not attack those guys personally. |
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Posted By: Red
If you look hard enough you will find an expert that will tell you what you want to hear. The key is to avoid experts in the field of the item you need authenticated. On something like this it would also help if the expert from the other field is blind. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
J. McMurry- while I agree with you that a few of the Net54 comments cited on ESPN crossed the line, when that thread was active a couple of years back either Mr. Cobb or his buddy came on the board and posted. He became quite angry with us and suggested we were giving them a hard time because they were black. That is when the board became a bit contentious. |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
What irresponsible journalism on the part of ESPN. |
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Posted By: Red
Since they feel so strongly that their card is real then maybe they would be interested in buying more examples of the same card. You can easily create cards that have the exact same physical properties as their card. Their experts can run the same scientific tests that they ran on their card and the results will be the same. Asking $2500 but will take $1800 each delivered with SASE. |
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Posted By: J. McMurry
Barry- Thanks for the reply, I knew there was another side to the story and I would love to read the original thread. The main problem here is ESPN and their slanted presentation. I guess all I'm trying to say is be careful what you post so as not to give them any ammunition. |
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Posted By: Dave S
A cluttered basement in Cinncy or a van down by the river? |
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Posted By: barrysloate
I agree, the ESPN story is really awful. |
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Posted By: anthony
like so much of the media does for ratings, espn is keeping racism alive, it stinks and shame on espn. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
In case anyone, like ESPN, is interested in facts, the following timeline can be verified by searching Net54 and PSA/CU thread and newspaper articles. |
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Posted By: JimB
I would love to see Keith Olberman do a segment on this guy and publicly humiliate him. The guy knows damn well it is fake. Wasn't there a pretty serious accusation that he stole it from somebody's office? Give me a break. He doesn't know Honus Wagner from Adam and decides to buy a beat up piece of cardboard for $1800. Nice story. Total BS from a shameless scammer. |
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Posted By: Seth
I wonder if anyone ever asked him for an invoice (provenance) from where he "purchased" the card. |
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