Possible new discovery - t210 Series 5 PINK border

[FrankWakefield]

The 'piece' of a card I had was one I'd gotten years before there was much card doctoring. Besides, who'd 'doctor' on a piece of a common T210? My point is that if something happened to the card AFTER printing, as I think, it would have been something that happened 30+ years ago, nothing recent.

[caramelcard]

I agree with Frank. What reason would anyone have to bleach this card?

If I guessed I would say that this card was at the top of a stack of t210s that were exposed to sunlight or that it was accidently soaked in something.

[caramelcard]

Another possibility.

I know a collector that wraps his old tobacco cards in paper towels and has for many years. There are cards in his groups that look just like that, faded colors with a pasty look but they're obviously different borders.

Wow Jim, that example is really faded!

[FrankWakefield]

John,

Is your 'pink' one a bit rough on the surface, too?

[cfc1909]

Rob

I agree with your thoughts on it possibly being in the sun

[cfc1909]

the one I have is smooth and has a touch of the red border at the very top left corner-also seems that the shinny surface that is on the other cards is not there-gone

[shammus]

Hey Jim,

Thanks for posting yours. If my card had actually been bleached or sitting in the sun too long, I think it would look like yours - completely faded with barely ledgible caption. The photo on mine is still pretty dark though and the caption, while blue, is still ledgible.

Barry, I think what you're seeing at the bottom is where the card darkens back to red a little bit. Not really swirls. My orange borders actually do the same thing where they darken back up at the tips and edges of the card.

Scott's point about faulty gloss has some credibility though. The pink border that I have is missing any gloss it might have had. So what we can hypothesize is that the card faded while in storage over time and one day, came out pink from whatever box, binder, closet, etc... it was in because during the original print run, the gloss coating on the card was either faulty or wasn't applied properly?

Makes sense, this is the first time I'm seeing these cards in a pinkish sort of hue though. Scott, you say you've seen several of these?

[sb1]

Many T210's are found like this, either faulty gloss that was applied and/or a resulting storage chemical reaction, probably caused by humidity. Not bleached. I have had quite a few out of the 1000's I have handled.

On a side note i did see a blazing canary yellow one today owned by a good friend of mine. Without a doubt the brightest yellow I have seen.

Scott

[ScottFandango]

the bottom edge looks more Red than the rest of the card.....something happened to that card, i dont think its a "variation"

[Old Mill Man]

I agree and I still say the cards were waxed and someone removed the wax.I had some like this and it is not a printing mishap as some did some things to their cards back then that we would never do as they collected not for the value but just to collect the cards.Check some of the T-210 backs and in pencil you will see the players position ,heck I had some that hasd the position on the front in black marker.

[JMANOS]

Actually purchased from Brian. I think the print runs would run out of ink and change from red to pink to my yellow-ish color before the run was stopped or complete. Brian may have a scan of the card I do not.

[tedzan]

That PINK bordered OLD MILL is simply an incomplete printing error.

The final RED ink pass was not applied to it. A lighter colored RED (pink) was applied early in the multi-color
process (upon Yellow to create Orange). And, the final color was a deep Red ink for the cards that were de-
signed to be Red.

Here is a sample of some of my incomplete printing errors that are PINK......






TED Z

[shammus]

I like Scott's theory about faulty gloss causing the card to lighten over time.

I also think Ralph's explaination about wax being put on cards and then being removed later to cause the card to lighten makes sense. This theory also jives with the fact that there's so few of these cards around. It seems that if the gloss used on the cards was faulty - we'd be seeing a lot more of these. Out of the mere two I've seen now, one is a series 5, the other is a series 2. So it could be just one collector who had a few cards he was trying to protect.

However, this sort of an issue isn't something I see on cards from other sets. You'd have to assume that the collector who used the wax had more than just simply t210s right?

Another thing, if wax was indeed placed on the cards and left for years, it doesn't seem to me that you could just remove it by smoothly peeling it off. Wouldn't it dry and harden eventually like paste? This would cause it's removal to create a residue on the card or take little pieces of the paper with it

Also, still am pondering how any sort of faulty gloss being used or wax would result in the captions turning blue. I can totally see the caption being lightened up by either occurance but that would just make it a light greyish color if anything. Wouldn't turn it into a random color like blue. That's just really weird and is one of the ways that Jim's card differs from mine a bit.

Good discussion so far

[tedzan]

Here are some more "wannabe" RED cards that are either PINK, ORANGE, or partially PINK. These T206's
and the T210's were both printed by American Lithographic using the same multi-color process. When a
printer missed the final (RED) inking, the result is either a Pink colored card or an Orange colored one.

I will repeat, that your PINK T210 and Jim's PINK T210 are simply the result of an incomplete printing run.
These PINK cards are not bleached....sun faded....or otherwise. The lack of a gloss on them reinforces
what I am trying to tell you. The gloss was applied in the final step in the production of these OLD MILL
cards. You say that your PINK card has a "flat" appearance....and, that is consistent with my argument
that it is simply an incomplete card.

I do not have a color error T210, but these T206's illustrate my contention here......as it also applies to
T210's (and, for that matter all BB card issues both then and now).







TED Z

[shammus]

Gotta say Ted, I definitely prefer your argument to the others

[FrankWakefield]

I'm not buying that....

The look and feel of T206s is quite different from T210s. I still think this is something that happened to the card after printing and distribution.

[shammus]

Jim brought up something earlier that's actually a good point. The tips of my pink bordered card fade into red a little bit. I should point out though that a couple of my orange borders do this too. The Yellow-bordered Slaven was the same way as well. But a lot of these variations have tips that are more like the dark red that you're used to seeing on t210s.