T-206 Master List vs. Inaccurate PSA Master Set

[barrysloate]

That's a fair point...if JP just listed the BL460's we would have saved a lot of grief. The question wasn't sarcastic, people on this board checklist every T206 back and there was the potential for a new addition. So I agree JP should have just answered the question.

[JP]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

That's a fair point...if JP just listed the BL460's we would have saved a lot of grief. The question wasn't sarcastic, people on this board checklist every T206 back and there was the potential for a new addition. So I agree JP should have just answered the question.

Barry, information was being held hostage until I disclosed which BL460s I owned...even though it wasn't relevant to MY thread. I'm under no obligation to share what I own or what I have owned. I'm aware of the Ted Z checklist of BL460s and none of mine were unknowns.

[barrysloate]

JP- you have the right to keep your collection private. But if that is your wish, it's wrong to come onto a thread with the juicy detail that you know about three BL460, something this board would love to have details of, and then say it's private. If I were you I wouldn't have even brought it up.

[barrysloate]

Leon- that was my implied point. If JP claims to know of three rare cards, but won't disclose them, the board of course won't believe him. I didn't either. But now he says he wants to keep it private, and my response was he never should have brought it up (and there was the slight possibility he was being truthful, and I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt).

[Abravefan11]

Jim - I wasn't talking about you in regards to this thread.

There is a lot wrong with both sides here.

I agree if you're going to post a question regarding a hobby problem you should care enough to want to do something about it as several people (including me) suggested. When people do respond with ideas calling them "worthless" is not the way to win favor.

I think debate is the pathway to knowledge, but in many cases these threads are reduced to playground name calling and that doesn't accomplish anything.

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by Abravefan11

Jim - I wasn't talking about you in regards to this thread.

Thanks Tim!

[barrysloate]

Ruining humanity since 1955...now that's funny.

That's what this board needs more of.

[tedzan]

Once again, someone (you in this case) steps in here and criticizes me without being aware of the entire story.
I have had past misunderstandings with this guy "JP". At first I was very generous with him by sharing my T206
expertise. After a while he became a nuisance with recurring PM's. Even, after I stopped replying to them. He
started again today with his PM's, so I blocked them.

Do you understand now, Dan ?

What bothers me in this instance is that he (and sometimes others) view the Graded Company's data and they
think that this is "the real world" of BB card collecting.
And, this is so far removed from the truth. I think that you can agree with that statement ?

Regards,

TED Z

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by tedzan

What bothers me in this instance is that he (and sometimes others) view the Graded Company's data and they think that this is "the real world" of BB card collecting.

Ted, Regardless is your past history with JP his initial post said nothing about TPGed cards being "the real world."

He simply asked why when it was common knowledge to many on this board through your and Scot Reader's work that their registry could be so far from something accurate.

Then in your first post you added "So, try to get your facts straight before you post."

How is that not combative?

And if there was a history and you feel the need to igonore his PM's than why not his threads as well?

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Once again, someone (you in this case) steps in here and criticizes me without being aware of the entire story.
I have had past misunderstandings with this guy "JP". At first I was very generous with him by sharing my T206
expertise. After a while he became a nuisance with recurring PM's. Even, after I stopped replying to them. He
started again today with his PM's, so I blocked them.

Do you understand now, Dan ?

What bothers me in this instance is that he (and sometimes others) view the Graded Company's data and they
think that this is "the real world" of BB card collecting.
And, this is so far removed from the truth. I think that you can agree with that statement ?

Regards,

TED Z

Ted, you misunderstood JP's original post and attacked him for something he wasn't even arguing. It should have been clear to you on a second read of the post. I have no idea what goes on in PM's on this site (contrary to the warped views of a few paranoid individuals). So if you have problems with JP I'd suggest putting him in your ignore list. I'd be happy to let you know how to do that if you don't already know.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

That's a fair point...if JP just listed the BL460's we would have saved a lot of grief. The question wasn't sarcastic, people on this board checklist every T206 back and there was the potential for a new addition. So I agree JP should have just answered the question.

Sorry about this Barry but I will call bullcrap on that one. The reason he was being questioned is because people weren't believing him. Lets at least keep it real. You are still one of my favorite guys ..regards

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

So I agree JP should have just answered the question.

The simple solution doesn't always make it the right solution.

I agree that if JP just posted the 3 BL460's that would have been the end of it. But was his past or present card holdings relevant to the discussion?

I know why Jim R (Hey Jim ) wanted the information, but in withholding his response to JP's initial post until he got it may not have been the way to go about getting it either.

Many collectors don't like to discuss their collections publicly. Or if they do, only the parts they wish to discuss.

[tedzan]

In your Post # 47 you stated.......
" Your inquiry as to how many t-206s I have was immediately following your statement that you own thousands.
I know exactly why you asked that question, and so do you. "

OK, so now you can read our minds....and, you know exactly why I asked that question ? You amaze me, but you
are not as intuitive as you think you are.

You are totally off-base in attempting to read my mind. I was interested in having a reasonable discussion with you
on the topic you initiated here...."T206 master set".

As, this topic has always intrigued me. But, you blew it with your apparent paranoia to anything asked of you. Fur-
thermore, you twist the discussion around and become combative.

This is not the way conversations are conducted on in this forum.


TED Z

[slidekellyslide]

Ted, you attacked JP in your very first reply in this thread. It was pretty clear to me that JP was referencing the PSA registry and not non-graded collectors. I understand that many of you guys are upset at JP for certain things that irritate you, but you don't need to bring them to every post he makes. If someone irritates you that much you need to start using the ignore button if you can't help but reply negatively to everything posted.

[cfc1909]

I wanted to know what 3 BL 460s because that would have mattered in my response.
I do not attack anyone-I stay away from the negative threads.
I share my information and my collection and would have had a great answer and it would have been a great thread.

I am close to not posting anymore. I like hanging out here and sharing my information but this is getting to be a bit much.

I would not have asked about the 3 BLs if they were not mentioned-and it matters so I can answer accurately.

maybe I could have asked better but I have a pretty good rep for being easy.

[slidekellyslide]

I wasn't referencing you at all Jim. I saw your reply to JP in the BL460 thread and it seemed reasonable to me.

[Leon]

Jim- My response above was aimed a little bit in your direction, not solely, but a little bit. It just seems like every single thing that JP says he gets attacked on, and that isn't right. I went to the other thread and do see you were really just asking to see if he owned BL460's that were confirmed or not. My apologies to you. As for everyone else.....lets try to be civil and friendly. thanks....

[JP]

How three known BL460s from years ago has any relevance to the Cy Young I asked about is beyond me. I should've just said "I've never owned a BL460 with a clean back." As I told Leon, I knew it was a mistake as soon as I submitted it.

There was no reason to hold valuable information hostage until I answered a question that I wanted to keep private. None of them are for sale or are in any registries, unless they were graded VERY recently, so I'm not sure what parallel you could draw from those to the Young. Can you please explain it to me?

EDIT: and remember too, Jim, that I did directly offer to you discuss which I owned and when, via email, but for some reason you decided to ignore that offer and make a stink on the board about it.

[wonkaticket]

Well I certainly didn’t attack him, I read his post the same way Ed did above. Even when I suggested perhaps he should contact PSA with his thoughts I was told my input was a “worthless suggestion”.

Then he proceeded to talk to me in ALL CAPS like I'm an 8yr old kid..asking me if GET IT NOW?

I have no idea of why he would be so sensitive don’t really care either. My only connection to JP is I’ve been high bidder on his Plank card in REA that Rob Lifson gave him such a sweet deal to list etc. How do I know this card is his he told the board, which for a guy who likes to keep his collection private he seems to share a lot of info?