Jackson, Gandil, Rose............Bonds? Mcgwire? Clemens?

[mintacular]

I thought the episode of Pawn Stars (where Rick & co.) turn down an offer to buy some '67 Roses that they deemed "fake" (still unsure about this) reveal how unaware they are about his sustained popularity. Rick's son "Big Hoss" mentions and I'm paraphrasing (big-time): "Well he (Rose) could be worth quite a bit if it weren't for, you know (referring to gambling)..." Little does he realize that the $ of Rose cards have been little hurt, if not gone up, as a result of the betting scandal. In short his shortcomings did not make him the greatest hitter of all-time a better player during his playing career, a claim Bonds et al. cannot make...

[quinnsryche]

Bonds, McGwire and Clemens will always be disliked now because they stole something from the game and really paid no price.
Rose's gambling was as a manager (not player) and only for his team, never against (supposedly). So although he's a complete jackass personality-wise, people still hold him in high regard for his accomplishments as a player. Jackson will always be looked at with compassion because he was a dope who got "suckered".
Gandil is a popular figure only to those trying to collect all the "8 Men Out" cards. I don't know anyone who collects only Gandil because he was a great player or nice guy.
Those 3 and others paid their debt with banishment from the game and will always be looked at sympethetically. The steroid freaks will be forever despised because they came in, cheated, stole records, made millions of dollars, gave us all the finger and left with no punishment and continue to lie about it.
Guys like Andy Petitte are still well liked because he admitted he was wrong and at least seemed to genuinely want to be forgiven.
Just my opinion.

[ScottFandango]

common misunderstanding:

if you ONLY BET FOR YOUR TEAM, then essentially, on the Days HE DIDNT BET his team to WIN, was ESSENTIALLY a bet against them (leave your starter in way too long. dont try as hard as when you have money on them)

so by Rose, and people, saying he ONLY BET FOR HIS TEAM TO WIN, HOLDS NO WATER!!

What Rose did was inexcusable and i am amazed that his cards have ANY VALUE!

[glynparson]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...ry_game-1.html

Its my understanding Rose bet on the reds everyday.

[drc]

I don't like Rose as a person, but the difference between he and the modern examples is his playing numbers are genuine while the modern guys' numbers are fake (embellished, artificially enhanced, whatever you want to say). Rose gambled etc, but even his biggest detractors will say his on the field performance was genuine.

[ScottFandango]

Originally Posted by drc

I don't like Rose as a person, but the difference between he and the modern examples is his playing numbers are genuine while the modern guys' numbers are fake (embellished, artificially enhanced, whatever you want to say). Rose gambled etc, but even his biggest detractors will say his on the field performance was genuine.

really?

i always thought he was spearheading the amphetyamines (sp?) explosion....

grabbed a handful and he played like a DEMON

[glchen]

I don't think amphetamines (sp?), greenies, etc, are in the same class as PEDs. I know people will disagree but I always thought that was like drinking a lot of coffee to stay awake. Other than staying alert, I don't know how those really helped you, and I think that's the point. PEDs increase power potential, which is a completely different. Basically, I guess I'm saying a player can drink coffee to legally stay more alert. However, what can a player ingest to legally gain more power? Nothing that I'm aware of.

[M's_Fan]

Originally Posted by ScottFandango

common misunderstanding:

if you ONLY BET FOR YOUR TEAM, then essentially, on the Days HE DIDNT BET his team to WIN, was ESSENTIALLY a bet against them (leave your starter in way too long. dont try as hard as when you have money on them)

so by Rose, and people, saying he ONLY BET FOR HIS TEAM TO WIN, HOLDS NO WATER!!

What Rose did was inexcusable and i am amazed that his cards have ANY VALUE!

Maybe I'm a dim bulb, but I don't understand this. Try again, less capitals, more explanation.