How Do You Classify A Hand Cut Strip Card as Trimmed?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Not all strips had borders. W590, for example. My view is grade them all, taking into account the relative sizes and configurations of the strips. If they have borders by all means use those as the minimum sizing. I think writing "handcut" and giving a grade is silly--of course it is handcut--unless the strip is known with a factory cut.

Hi Adam
So you are telling me that if this strip is cut the cards won't have borders? They might not have dotted lines but they will definitely have borders. And no, to me, the qualifier is NOT silly, it's imperative. If not then you have people that don't know a strip from a Stassberg (sp?) thinking they were manufactured the same way, with the 100 yrs old strip cards potentially getting very high grades WITHOUT it being known they were handcut, after the fact, which is very silly indeed. We all know about strip cards but the shiny collectors might not. regards

[wake.up.the.echoes]

I have a question.

Is there—and if not, should there be—a difference as to when the card was cut from the sheet? (i.e., a vintage/period cut vs. someone using modern technology to cut the card from the sheet/strip.)

[HRBAKER]

These things come in al shapes and sizes, most have some semblance of a top and bottom border and are very skinny side to side. I don't think they should get a numerical grade.

[Exhibitman]

Maybe it is a question of semantics, Leon. I think of "border" in this context as a line defining the breaks between cards on the sheet or strip. W565, for example, has a distinct color border around each card.



If the card has color showing all the way around, it is full. If it is missing color on one or more side or portion, it is not a full card. Here is an example from the mixed sport "E79/E95" style cards:



I'd say the border on that card is the red line. If it shows red line all around it is full, if not, it isn't.

W590 doesn't have anything delineating the break between the cards. You could cut it right to the margin of the next card or right to its margin and still arguably have a full card. And the top and bottom rows are frequently found with a giant border, as the illustrations show, owing to the large margins on the edges of the sheets.

I do agree that it can get very confusing when the same design is used for different sets, or where the set is known both handcut and machine cut (1926 Spalding and W580 come to mind).

W580 machine cut, allegedly for far east export:



W580 typical:



And, if we are talking a set that was intended to be cut and that has definite borders, I don't see why a numerical grade is inappropriate.

[wake.up.the.echoes]

Adam,

Could I get a little background on the w580 set that was distributed in Siam/Thailand? Why were they made? I know they were distributed as single cards, but what were they packaged with?

Are they definitely vintage? Or could they be newer?