T214 Victory Tobacco container?

[canjond]

Very interesting tin. While it is unknown what the exact distribution packaging for T214 is, I have always assumed the packaging was somewhat similar to the below. Note, the below pack has a 1914 overprint on the tax stamp:

[slidekellyslide]

Jon, how hard to find and about what price do the Victory tobacco pouches go for? I bid on one recently in a non-ebay auction, but was outbid.

Thanks,
Dan

[jimonym]

I believe T.C. Williams operated two facilities in Richmond, both closing sometime between 1895 and 1905. One was on South 7th Street at Arch (later renamed Overton) Street. The other on South 6th Street at East Canal Street. Sanborn maps for 1905 show the 7th Street property as owned and operated under the R.A. Patterson name. The 6th Street structure was being used as a shoe warehouse by the W.H. Miles Shoe Company. As you probably know, R.A. Patterson was owned by the ATC but was operated as a subsidiary and continued to use the R.A. Patterson name.

The ATC had several products carrying the Victory brand name. Below are images from an ATC Jobber's Price List from 1909. I don't believe the "Where Made" column is necessarily definitive. The ATC did have locations that specialized in products made from specific kinds of leaf, but they manufactured so much product that multiple locations may well have been producing the same brands.

[Leon]

Great stuff guys. I love the origins of our cards talk. But as a pack/ephemera collector I guess that is to be expected. Here are a few cards to go with the ancillary items...

[canjond]

Dan - the pouches come up for sale every once in a while. I can't say I see them everyday, but I see one for sale maybe every 4-6 months or so... In terms of pricing - I think it all depends who's bidding. I think I picked the one I have pictured above up for $50 or so. I have seen some sell over $100. Recently, there was a full one for sale in an advertising auction. I wanted to bid but sold over $500.

[Leon]

This is the classic case of supply vs demand equals value. Rman's tin is infinitely scarcer than a type of a T214, though I do put them in fairly high "rarity" air vis-a-vis their abundance. I believe even a nice common T214 baseball card would go for multiples of those estimates in today's hobby, even though they aren't as scarce (again, if only looking for a type). regards

[Bridwell]

Here's a Victory cigarette pack wrapper. It shows T.C. Williams and the overseas connection that rman was suggesting.