Update: Chief Bender Signed T206 W/ Out Trees.

Brandon I do not like being called a liar or cheat so I am posting those horrible PM's. I will not allow you to mislead and make a butt of me for you own cover. Who has ever bought something like this with a LOA, with out getting a pic or the cert numbers. You obviously got it from online hence the need to mail the COA. So you must have gotten a scan of the card as well as seen the LOA or the cert numbers before buying right So enough already. I am not the only person that questions you and your validity.


Here are the pm's I have for your enjoyment gentlemen:


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Originally Posted by Pup6913
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what are you asking for the card. Are you looking to trade and cash for the bender T206 auto

I have an offer of $2,000. Looking for offers. I do not collect card anymore. Thanks

If you have an offer of 2K you better take it. At that price it is way out of what I have seen some autoed T206s in that condition sell for with harder to get autos. Since I do not pursue these its not that big of a deal for me. Best of luck on the sale.

Andrew

Hey Andrew, I was thinking the same thing but i have several experts telling me that i should not sell it for that. Just wait. Signed T206 are rare and this could be the only one that exist. Thanks Brandon

Just did a quick search. There was a lot of 8 autoed common t206's sold for about $2600 with a bender no trees 3 yrs back. A cobb green portrait in vg-ex for $3800, and another lot of 6 extremely rare HOF'ers for $6900. That card is probably worth about $250-$400 tops. Just my opinion based on market sales. Condition is everything. I would like to make an offer but no where near the 2k mark.

Hmmm, where are you getting this info? I have seen a Ty cobb red portrait went for $30k and some commons go for $500-800 range. Where did you find that Chief Bender at??? Thanks

It was heritage and mastro and some others.

Got the link of the Bender and Cobb? Thanks


Thing is anyone can tell you to price a card like that but none of them made an offer did they?? Should be a sign that its to high. I have learned that lesson many times. I have the only ray brubaker auto known in the hobby on a 1920's zeenut a few yrs before he died and its only worth about $30-50.

I am sorry it was 3 cheif meyers and 2 hoblitzells and a few others all in vg-ex to exmt.
http://www.huntauctions.com/online/i...=630&lot_qual=

and here is that beautiful cobb
http://www.huntauctions.com/online/i...664&lot_qual=a

Thank you. That Cobb went for a great deal.! Anyways I might take the $2,000 but might wait a little bit to see if anyone can beat it. Thanks

I have 4 Legit offers. $1200, 2 $1500 offers and $2000. Those arn't what someone told me to price them at. I do know what your talking about though. I am not in that position right now.

And just for giggles some pics of benders autos.

[David R]

Originally Posted by Pup6913

And just for giggles some pics of benders autos.

I am no autograph expert but to me at least the "h" and "f" in Chief in your examples look different than the ones on the card.

[blackmamba]

Originally Posted by David R

I am no autograph expert but to me at least the "h" and "f" in Chief in your examples look different than the ones on the card.

It was probably hard to signed on a little card. Every autograph is different. I can assure you it is real. it has JSA LOA, it will be scan asap. Thanks

[richieb315]

Check your mailbox...Can you please post it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PtHyPME4cw

[shimozukawa]

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[terjung]

I'm no autograph expert, but the on-card signature has enough differences from ones that are posted to give one pause. (i.e. the loops touching on "C", the apparent pause in the "C" prior to making the first loop, the beginning stroke of the "B", etc.) Interesting to note that there are no quotation marks around the "Chief" in your example.

Suffice it to say that attaining that LOA from a respected source is going to be important for you. Good luck! I hope for your sake that it's real.

[blackmamba]

Originally Posted by terjung

I'm no autograph expert, but the on-card signature has enough differences from ones that are posted to give one pause. (i.e. the loops touching on "C", the apparent pause in the "C" prior to making the first loop, the beginning stroke of the "B", etc.) Interesting to note that there are no quotation marks around the "Chief" in your example.

Suffice it to say that attaining that LOA from a respected source is going to be important for you. Good luck! I hope for your sake that it's real.

Hey, I do see what you are talking about. Just because the signature is not perfect does not make it fake. He did not always put " ". It does have JSA, i regret posting this on here with out scans of it. I just had so much interested, and they wanted a picture. So i uploaded it on here.

Thank you. Brandon

[novakjr]

Are we even sure that by JSA the old lady was even referring to James Spence? Maybe she had her neighbor Joe Salmons look at it, and write her a letter? Maybe she's actually sending and old "Justice Society of America" comic?

Mamba, I'd suggest not trying to argue without having that LOA in your hand first. You honestly shouldn't even have listed it without it. And if you don't get it, I'd suggest sending it in for authentication, and not to GAI... Maybe even pull this thread, until you get it.

[blackmamba]

Originally Posted by shimozukawa

So, basically, JSA authenticated a Bender that wasn't signed by Bender's hand? I mean, I would assume that if his "C" loops usually didn't touch, and his "B" usually started at the top, then the T206 was signed by Bender after he... went on a bender?

Another thing about this card that has me wondering...

The Bender w/ no trees is a relatively rare card, so why wouldn't the "old lady" have the card authenticated along with the autograph? I mean, this is the logic I would assume for someone who knew nothing about the hobby...

"Wow! Dad left me a T206. Didn't those nuns just sell one for a million dollars??? I should try to sell mine! It has to be worth even more than that, because it's signed!!!"

Then someone would tell her that it needs to be authenticated. I'm pretty sure at this point, they wouldn't specifically say you need an LOA for James Spence. More than likely, if the dealer she went to had scruples, they'd explain about the autograph AND the card needing to have authentication to realize maximum value.

I mean, does BGS/BVG make tier requirements according to book value of a MINT specimen or of the condition the card is actually in?

If it's the latter, it would have cost, what, an extra $25-$50 to have the card authenticated too... why just stop at the LOA? The entire concept of mounting/framing the card seems misdirected. After all, if the idea was to display it, she could have gotten it encapsulated, then put into a nice display case/box.

Just my thoughts...

You have your right to your opinion. I know all the details though. I dont know if your trying to say that it is fake or not. I don't understand some of what you wrote.

I believe the Bender with trees is the rare one. Correct me if im wrong. I will have you guys talk about this. I wont say anything unless i get a serious question about this card.

I will post the JSA when i get it. Can everyone be patient? I'm trying. lol I just want to prove it to you guys. I appreciate it. Thanks Brandon

Keep it coming!

[Leon]

Hi Brandon,
Can you please PM me when you get a chance?
thanks
leon

[shimozukawa]

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[Comiskey]

Just so everybody knows, I bought 6 American beauty t206's from Brandon about a month ago and the transaction was flawless. And, he sold me great cards too!!

Jeff

[ChiefBenderForever]

Once authenticated 1500-2000+ would take about 20 minutes I would think.

[blackmamba]

Originally Posted by Comiskey

Just so everybody knows, I bought 6 American beauty t206's from Brandon about a month ago and the transaction was flawless. And, he sold me great cards too!!

Jeff

Thank you Jeff! Glad you liked the cards!

Best regards, Brandon

[blackmamba]

Originally Posted by shimozukawa

You're probably right about the rarity of the card. That would imply that the only thing of value being sold is the signature. If that's the case, an authenticated Bender index card goes for, what... $500? I think it would behoove you to follow Andrew's advice and sell it to whoever offered you $2000 before they decide to buy someone else's for less than half that.

I still don't understand why _you_ would buy the card without having asked for a scan of the LOA (or at the VERY LEAST, the LOA number). I suggest submitting the card to BGS for encapsulation. Since you already have an LOA from, I'll assume, James Spence, you won't be required to pay for authentication once again. Just for the grading/authentication fee from BVG.

I did have her send me a picture of the LOA. I did not save the email (stupid on my part). I'll keep in touch with you guys. Thanks

[Jim VB]

Tough week to be named Brandon or Brendan!