Beware Carterscards2006

[nolemmings]

Pardon me if my frustration shows in some of these later posts. I recognize that many here have not read the entire thread or have only skimmed it. Of course, no one is under any obligation to read any or all of it, or to care. Thus far, I have felt compelled to keep defending myself, when it seems that many of the points raised against me either misapprehend what I am saying, misstate it, or ignore it altogether. I am losing my compulsion to keep returning to these same points, many of which are adequately addressed by others here.

So what is the beef here pwilk--let's get you pinned down at least. To paraphrase what I mentioned earlier, if I gathered a hundred of you to review the card and everybody concluded that the card was trimmed, would that satisfy you? Or is it still too bad so sad, no returns. Many here dart back and forth on why I lose, where are you? If you think that I'm stuck whether or not I can prove it is trimmed, fine, state so, and allow me to respectfully disagree. If you feel I cannot possibly prove it to be trimmed and that I lose for that reason, say so, and again allow me to disagree. I fully understand my legal and evidentiary burdens, and I recognize that I am not always right. I think I have a case, you do not. But why not comment on the lack of customer service that caused me to neg this guy and sparked me to write this thread? Anyone.... Beuhler? Should I have given him 5 stars for communication?

As for your question, I have handled thousands of these cards over the years, and have a decent eye on what to spot. The cards are not uniform in size--there is variance-- and so specs are of limited help. When I received the card--which BTW arrived back yesterday from SGC in the GAI holder, as expected, I was concerned about it being trimmed. I wanted another set of eyes on it, and couldn't have cared less what grade it got so long as it was not trimmed. I trust SGC. Yes, I get it--they are not infallible, and if ultimately a judge or jury were to side with some other expert, I would be disappointed that SGC got it wrong. I would then "Man up" and accept the decision. As it stands, though, I believe the card is trimmed. If forced to keep it I will sell it with the notation that SGC has deemed it trimmed. If thereafter it was cracked out, submitted to PSA or Beckett and returned with a number grade I would not bid on it at any price.

[pwilk17]

I told you - I do not have a beef with you at all. I am making a point. When you bid on the GAI 7.5 card knowing there were no refunds - the case should be closed. As an experienced collecter you as much as anyone know the possibilities buying any card in any TPG holder. Read the post from Peter Spaeth - he says the same thing. I have bought many cards in many situations - Ebay, Large Auction Houses and Privately in all different holders - BVG, PSA, SGC, GAI, PRO and others. It is always a crap shoot as to whether any other grading company will agree with the first grading company. That is the risk you take if you bid on that item in an auction - you know the holder - it is an important part of your decison whether to bid or not. SGC could also easily be wrong - it may not be trimmed. Also, how does the seller know that the buyer will not return a very similar card to the one the seller sent (a different yet very similar card - possibly trimmed) in the same holder? It has been done many times before.

[nolemmings]

vintagetoppsguy

I will answer your question, although I question your willingness and ability to understand my answer. BTW, let's see how many here consider your question as to my profession and fees as relevant or in any way analogous.

I provide a service for a fee. I make no guarantees as to outcome. I tell you what you will get from me for your money, how litigation works, what the strengths and weaknesses of your case are, a list of potential outcomes, my assessment of the probability of each, how it might affect your business or life in ways that you might not have anticipated, whether there are other professionals whose advice you should consider seeking, e.g. tax and licensing, etc. You pay for your fair day in court. If I fail to provide you adequate representation, you can take it up with the State Bar and/or, depending on the inadequacy of my performance, sue me for malpractice. If you are correct, you will be paid--even beyond what you paid me if the evidence so warrants.

Of course, none of this has anything to do with the issues at hand. BTW, of those steps I outlined above, none has been taken against me in 25+ years of practice. Thank you for impugning my "true character" though.

[nolemmings]

So Peter, if your point is I lose at auction end becaue I got exactly what I should, why bring up that SGC could just as easily be wrong as GAI, or nobody can say with certainty whether it is trimmed? Why bother yourself with such details if it is legally irrelevant in your mind?

[pwilk17]

All of my points are extremely valid - that is why I say no refund.

[nolemmings]

Phil, I received the card on 2/7. I sent it by registered mail on the 8th. It was received on the 14th, delivery having been attempted the preceding Saturday. It was mailed by SGC on the 15th, and I received it back yesterday afternoon (although had I not been home, it would still not have been delivered). That is the chronology. I don't appreciate the tone and implication that I have not been honest. If you don't like the explanation, tough @#$%.

[pgellis]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Phil, I received the card on 2/7. I sent it by registered mail on the 8th. It was received on the 14th, delivery having been attempted the preceding Saturday. It was mailed by SGC on the 15th, and I received it back yesterday afternoon (although had I not been home, it would still not have been delivered). That is the chronology. I don't appreciate the tone and implication that I have not been honest. If you don't like the explanation, tough shit.

So it took 4 days to get to SGC and you wanted to be timely in "fairness to the seller", then why send it via donkey to SGC? Why not overnight it?

It's wonderful that you can detect "tone and implication" from printed text.

[nolemmings]

Because SGC requires cards of a certain value to be sent by registered mail, and I had other cards in the order. Good enough for ya? I registered my complaint to the seller one week from receiving the cards, is that unfair?
And yes I do believe your tone and words to be inquisitorial, and I suspect others here do as well.

[pgellis]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Because SGC requires cards of a certain value to be sent by registered mail, and I had other cards in the order. Good enough for ya? I registered my complaint to the seller one week from receiving the cards, is that unfair?
And yes I do believe your tone and words to be inquisitorial, and I suspect others here do as well.

How do you detect tone from a post made up of words?

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Because SGC requires cards of a certain value to be sent by registered mail, and I had other cards in the order.

I've got no dog in this entertaining fight and have no opinion on who's right or who's wrong, but I've always interpreted that SGC requires cards of a certain value to be returned to the owner by registered mail. It's my understanding that the submitter can send them to SGC any way that he or she wants. (And this isn't to suggest Todd mailed them to SGC in a right or wrong way.)