Anybody else sick of MLB?

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by alanu

Cyclists and Olympic athletes are subject to a 2 year ban on the first offense and they still keep doping and getting caught so I'm sure with the less stringent testing in baseball and football, some players are still going to juice up and try to get away with it.

Interestingly, some cyclists and runners claim they do it because they couldn't be competitive in their sports if they didn't. No condoning, but hard to argue with such logic: dope up and be an athlete, or don't dope up and work at Burger King.

But guys like Clemens, Bonds, Canseco, etc. (the elite) - they could have played clean and still made a good living. With them it was about fame and/or money, not survival doing something they loved.

[alanu]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Interestingly, some cyclists and runners claim they do it because they couldn't be competitive in their sports if they didn't. No condoning, but hard to argue with such logic: dope up and be an athlete, or don't dope up and work at Burger King.

But guys like Clemens, Bonds, Canseco, etc. (the elite) - they could have played clean and still made a good living. With them it was about fame and/or money, not survival doing something they loved.

I agree, not that it's right, but it's easier to see why some guy would take something if it was the difference from being a lifetime Triple A guy or a major leaguer, but with the aforementioned players they could have been major leaguers without juicing up.

[dstudeba]

Ed,

I agree that it doesn't make sense for Braun to do it. Bonds didn't anger me as much as a borderline player taking drugs because Bonds didn't take away someone's job, he was awesome with or without drugs.
The point I am trying to make is that MLB wants people to believe that the game is clean now because of the testing, which I believe is a farce.

- Dan

[edhans]

Agreed on most points, Dan. I think the game is cleaner than 10-15 years ago, which is probably not saying much. More still needs to be done.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by edhans

Agreed on most points, Dan. I think the game is cleaner than 10-15 years ago, which is probably not saying much. More still needs to be done.

And in relating this to the vintage card hobby I do think it's cleaner, especially with respect to shilling and other types of operational fraud, than it was 5-15 yrs ago. Still probably a ways to go but with law enforcement taking an active role in the hobby I do feel things are much better. I don't collect pointy cornered cards though .