1916 Green-Joyce

[smtjoy]

These are harder to find than scarce T206 backs just not collected as much. Grats to the winner!

Here is mine-

[ValKehl]

I, too, was quite surprised at what this card sold for. I bid $252 well before the auction ended, and planned to up my bid to $350ish at the end of the auction; but, when I went to do this, the price was already over $500! Oh well, maybe I'll be fortunate enough to fill this hole in my type collection during 2012!
Val

[philliesphan]

I think a good gauge of a "too high" price is a price that warrants other examples to be offered for sale or auction.

We've seen a number of high-grade T206 rare backs in 2011, for example, that reflects the increase in prices in that market. I don't expect this Dugey price to bring about any noticeable increase of Green-Joyce cards to market in 2012.

[Jaybird]

interesting point. I agree with you. Even though that is twice what I paid, I wouldn't take it to part with mine. When they are so hard to find, sometimes money isn't enough. Of course, that's all dependent on how much money.

[FrankWakefield]

Green-Joyce.

As best as I can figure, they were a department store in Columbus, Ohio. They were located in the entirety of an 8 story building. The Gazette Times, a Pittsburgh paper, has a full page ad talking about Kaufmann's, The Big Store, buying the entire stock of Green-Joyce. This is from February 18, 1918. The ad can be found on the internet. http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=3764,2166387

The ad mentions being closed all day Monday, before the big sale starts, to comply with the Government's plan to conserve fuel.

So I figure that Green-Joyce went out of business soon after the Christmas sales season of 1917.

Here's a postcard from the Metropolitan Museum's Digital Library collection...

I recall a department store in Nashville, TN, that was downtown, and had an area similar to this. They had a merry-go-round down there, and I recall a tall slender fellow, must have been a bit over 7 feet tall, a happy giant of sorts, dressed up like he was ready for a circus. The store was Harvey's.


Next is a postcard I have that's a bit unusual. It is a double post card. The inside depicts the department store's Studios of Interior Decoration. To the right at the bottom is "The Green-Joyce Co. Retail, Columbus, Ohio". I think they had a wholesale business nearby. On the outside is the normal postcard stuff, a normal 1 cent stamp and a Balboa stamp, a July 1, 1915 cancellation, close in time to the time of our dear ballcards. On the blank side, in pencil, is "S.W. cor. Chestnut & High", I'd guess that's the location of the store.





And here's my one Green-Joyce card, the Bob Bescher card depicted in The Standard Catalog.




Anyone else have any Green-Joyce stuff?

[nolemmings]

Frank,

There are records to indicate that Green-Joyce lasted until 1928-29, in some form or fashion. And yes, the store locale was Chestnut & High in Columbus.
The bankruptcy related ad you produced was not the first for the company--I have a copy of a similar size ad from the Fresno Morning Republican dated 5/3/1899 that stated in part:

"Great Bankrupt Sale...
We have purchased $50,000 worth of High-Grade SEASONABLE MERCHANDISE
Bought at Peremptory Sale from the receivers of Green, Joyce & Co,, Columbus, Ohio."

I don't know if they periodically restructured or what, but it seems they knew how to move goods in bulk. The founder, John Joyce, was considered a pretty significant business man.

Finally, I note that your card has the same inking void in the "G" that is seen in Scott's Card of Fletcher, suggesting there may have been two print runs. FYI, a similar void is sometimes seen in the "C" in Herpolsheimer Co. on the reverse of those cards.

[ValKehl]

Thanks to the kindness of Rob D., I no longer have a Green-Joyce void in my type-card collection. My new treasure has the same printing flaw affecting the letter "G" (which I thought at first was paper loss) as Scott's and Frank's cards. Sorry for the glare in the pics - I had to use a camera because my CCD scanner died last month.
Val