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Exactly.
There is no doubt whatsoever that the case is still being worked on. I expect more legal (authorities) issues for the culprits than I do personal lawsuits, though there still could be some.
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https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...315750&page=56
The 10s just keep coming. Something, IMO, is very wrong here.
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Some are clearly trimmed. Look at the Gaylord Perry for example. And there's a second issue here, even indulging the assumption that some of these cards are not trimmed, the number of vintage 10s within one sub is staggering and dramatically out of line with the experience of other long-time dealers, who get a vintage 10 once in a blue moon even on virgin high grade material, and who have to resubmit constantly to get cards into their right holders. Something is not sitting right with me.
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"resubmit constantly to get cards into their right holders"
Wow, that is some statement about the state of card grading.
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Yep, but that's how it is for the common man/non-inside dealer. And what's really astonishing is the variance in grades a given card can receive on its journey.
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To say it is fluid would be an understatement.
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Oh I got it, I was just elaborating.
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Sometimes feel like I'm the only person who has never resubmitted a card. Silly me I thought the grade was the grade was the grade...
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I hope microtrimming never ever becomes acceptable....
Does PSA even look at edges or grain of a cards borders ?? Or is that biased on whom is submitting the cards? |
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The bigger question is why people put so much faith in what the self-appointed experts say? Especially since they've proven time and again that they can't detect alteration. And why such huge premiums are paid for slab numbers that are at best variable, and subject to change on a whim.
Other than the money/greed/ego aspect, I will never understand this segment of collecting. Last edited by perezfan; 09-26-2019 at 02:20 PM. |
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Speaking only to the vaping "crisis", the big issue there is counterfeit vaping cartridges. People make these black market cartridges and sell them as legitimate brand name cartridges. These counterfeit cartridges contain harmful substances that give the cartridges an aesthetically pleasing look. There is no real crisis when it comes to legitimate products. Just saying..
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Can you guys take this off-topic into a different thread?
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To me the market or lack of buyers is what will Stop or Slow down the fraud/manipulation. By now If people still don’t get it they never will.
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Maybe we should ban cigarettes? A few more than 805 have gotten ill or died from those. More like 500,000 confirmed deaths.....EVERY YEAR. Verify that. Still, there are fake cards in slabs everywhere. Just look at your own collection and half are fake. |
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there's plenty of alterations out there but I don't agree that half of collections out there are fake. if you truly believe that, pm me your vintage card collection in slabs and I'll buy it from you for 55% of market value. that would be a good deal since it's only worth half of market value if half are fake. I don't understand the point of continuing in the hobby and continuing on the message board if you hate the hobby (you've stated this in the past) and think half the cards are fake. Why not do yourself a favor and get out of the hobby altogether?
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It’s probably a little more complicated than that. A complex love/hate relationship...
Kind of like a Love for the hobby, but hatred for those who have made it be all about money, greed, ego, ripping people off, favoritism, denial, turning a blind eye and shareholder profits. Very difficult to completely abandon something you’ve loved and poured your heart into for many years/decades. Last edited by perezfan; 09-30-2019 at 01:16 PM. |
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You’re a civil lawyer and you’ve been beating the drums for months about suing PSA. Surely you must have a bunch of clients by now, no? After all who would potential litigants go to but you? When I was talking about Mastro’s fraud I had a number of Net 54 members who hired me to go after Mastro and his co-conspirators and multiple people got six figures back from them. So how many have you signed up?
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In this trimming issue there are no lawsuits so all of these complaining on the board seems odd considering there are no lawsuits. If it was such a big deal why arent there lawsuits. It appears everyone is getting paid back and/or happy is my point. Its been a long enough wait at this point for something to have happened. You are making my point. Thanks Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 10-01-2019 at 01:44 PM. |
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I'm not happy with any of this crap, but I have no grounds for filing any lawsuits against anyone. So just because there are no lawsuits doesn't mean everyone is happy. I'm quite the opposite as happy. And a lot of other people are just an unhappy about the whole thing as I am. To make the argument that no lawsuits means everyone is happy is just unreal. And every time this argument is made it makes for an easy target for ridicule.
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But although I am not personally filing any lawsuits, who knows how many other defrauded people are preparing for litigation. This is the infancy stage. Many victims have not yet become aware of the situation, but they very well might, in due time. PSA wants everyone to go back to the sellers for refunds. But what if the tainted cards were bought months/years ago? What if the Dealer is no longer in business or is unreachable? What if the card was obtained via trade show, in which the seller has been long-forgotten? The vast majority of us have no idea what's happening behind the scenes. Give it adequate time, for goodness' sake. |
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Or what if the dealer bought it from another dealer? And so on. Are they supposed to follow this trail until you get to the person who had it graded from PSA? And then what?
Having PSA tell you to go back to the last seller is a cop out.
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I am sure the honest dealers of the world appreciate PSA trying to deflect responsibility onto them.
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I was thinking the same thing. When is PSA going to accept any responsibility? I hope they're doing their own internal investigations on graders whom handled specific submissions from specific clients........
I ask myself this question, What exactly is the purpose of their services if they can't tell what is altered and what is not? It's the allusion of when your card is graded it becomes instantly a prized commodity primed for registry sets and low pops......ALL B to THE S............ Keep Hush the Suckers Need Us and They Always Come Back....This Will Pass and We Will Prevail...... Last edited by Johnny630; 10-02-2019 at 01:55 PM. |
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Its interesting that almost every comment you make has an insult in it. We all know about people who find they have to belittle people. I am making a point. There are no lawsuits. Only takes one major suit to help resolve other potential cases so having one lawsuit is a big deal versus zero. There is no final answer that you have or I have as to why there arent any. We all have are viewpoints. I am free to make my own point and you are free to make your point. Even people not in penthouse lawyer offices are free to make our points known. The fact you bother to reply to little ole me shows me something. I assume you will again respond with an nursery school insult and raise your dorsal fin but again you will feel the need to say something. Thats the funny thing. |
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