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Your original questions in post 587 were more just general questions. I answered them satisfactorily. Now you're narrowing your questions to be specifically medical related and twisting my words (but I still answered them). So, I can continue to play your game and let you continue to twist my words, or just tell you to f*ck off. I choose the latter. I told you where civil discourse ended. You've reached that point. Last edited by vintagetoppsguy; 06-06-2021 at 06:42 AM. |
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You, Irv, have presented many columns and research and such showing how you've come to your views. I may or may not agree with you, but I can see how you got there. Peter has presented columns and research, shown his side, and I can agree or not. David, well, he just insults those who don't think like him, but claims everyone else is "biased." I actually like to read views different from what I currently hold, that's the only way I can grow. And FWIW, I think the last paragraph you posted started off quite spot-on, until you went making assumptions. I don't watch TV news of any kind. I read the NYT and the WSJ. I don't blindly trust the Gov't. So what do you make of me? Also, you say people who watch CNN and read the NYT don't think for themselves, do you also say the same to people who only watch Fox News and read the WSJ?? I have someone in my own family that will parrot Fox repeatedly, then tell me I don't have an open mind. You brought up G1911, I would like to give him a shout out: I'm sure I wouldn't agree with him on every subject, but each post he made here was, IMHO, well-written and logical. No inflammatory language, just a great debate. The kind people used to have before shouting down an opponent and "winning" became the way. He appears to be the kind of guy to have a few beers with, argue non-stop, then walk away saying "That guy has some dumbass views, but I love him!" |
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On pg6, David reveals what he did in the Army. Imo, and only my opinion, I assume David might know a thing or 2 about meds/vaccines and the like but unless they just randomly choose some individual who the Doc is going to be, I could be wrong? As far as the news goes, I said "my gut tells me". which means it was a guess/an assumption so I apologize if it sounded like I meant you did a 100%. Anyways, this thread is going nowhere anymore, if it ever was, so from this point on "I think" I will just avoid anymore interaction, as, like I said above, it is nothing more than just an exercise in futility and is becoming a waste of time. Throughout this thread, all I've tried to do is show the other side of story, which, like I've said, isn't talked about near enough, imo, but because some don't like that, or think I am just a conspiracy theorist, a strawman arguer, or an anti-vaxxer, I guess they don't understand that nor ever will.
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As I've said in this thread, I think both CNN and MSNBC are too agenda-driven. I do, however, trust for the most part a site called science based medicine which focuses on data analysis and is very very good at deconstructing bogus claims.
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G-man, I don't endorse this article at all but I think you would like it.
https://journals.plos.org/plosmedici...l.pmed.0020124 Why Most Published Research Findings Are False John P. A. Ioannidis He has a similar piece a decade or so later. https://journals.plos.org/plosmedici...l.pmed.1002049
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BTW, Dr. Ioannidis published early in the pandemic basically arguing the dangers were overstated. Here's a fascinating piece on him from my favorite science website.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/wha...ohn-ioannidis/
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It's funny how some people are "oh, don't trust the government"
But the number of things they trust the government to regulate the safety of is huge. Do you grade your own beef? Decide what things will make your car safe to drive? Or what can be in paint? Or how many bug parts are allowed in a pound of each sort of vegetable? Just where do you find the time? Last edited by steve B; 06-09-2021 at 02:09 PM. Reason: typo |
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Fyi the government is still alive and well which had conducted those experiments, as well as current ones. Unless you think they dont still conduct experiments. I think you've been licking too many mk-ultra "stamps"
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Infraction given. Cut that kind of trash talk out. Not cool....thanks
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Moderna and Pfizer are using lipid nanoparticles that contain polyethylene glycol (PEG)2 for this purpose. The mRNA is wrapped in lipid nanoparticles (LNPs) that carry it to your cells, and the LNPs are “PEGylated” — that is, chemically attached to PEG molecules to increase stability.
This experimental mRNA gene therapy and its lipid nanoparticle-based delivery system have never been approved for use in a vaccine or drug. This includes Pfizer’s and Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccines, which were only “authorized” for emergency use by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration — not “approved.” Significant concerns have been raised over the technology, including the lipid nanoparticles, and Moderna actually abandoned it in 2017 after studies revealed a high rate of adverse effects [T]here can be no assurance that our LNPs will not have undesired effects. Our LNPs could contribute, in whole or in part, to one or more of the following: immune reactions, infusion reactions, complement reactions, opsonation reactions, antibody reactions . . . or reactions to the PEG from some lipids or PEG otherwise associated with the LNP. Certain aspects of our investigational medicines may induce immune reactions from either the mRNA or the lipid as well as adverse reactions within liver pathways or degradation of the mRNA or the LNP, any of which could lead to significant adverse events in one or more of our clinical trials. https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/lip...o-antivaxxers/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24715289/ Superparamagnetic nanoparticle delivery of DNA vaccine Fatin Nawwab Al-Deen 1, Cordelia Selomulya, Charles Ma, Ross L Coppel Affiliations expand PMID: 24715289 DOI: 10.1007/978-1-4939-0410-5_12 Abstract The efficiency of delivery of DNA vaccines is often relatively low compared to protein vaccines. The use of superparamagnetic iron oxide nanoparticles (SPIONs) to deliver genes via magnetofection shows promise in improving the efficiency of gene delivery both in vitro and in vivo. In particular, the duration for gene transfection especially for in vitro application can be significantly reduced by magnetofection compared to the time required to achieve high gene transfection with standard protocols. SPIONs that have been rendered stable in physiological conditions can be used as both therapeutic and diagnostic agents due to their unique magnetic characteristics. Valuable features of iron oxide nanoparticles in bioapplications include a tight control over their size distribution, magnetic properties of these particles, and the ability to carry particular biomolecules to specific targets. The internalization and half-life of the particles within the body depend upon the method of synthesis. Numerous synthesis methods have been used to produce magnetic nanoparticles for bioapplications with different sizes and surface charges. The most common method for synthesizing nanometer-sized magnetite Fe3O4 particles in solution is by chemical coprecipitation of iron salts. The coprecipitation method is an effective technique for preparing a stable aqueous dispersions of iron oxide nanoparticles. We describe the production of Fe3O4-based SPIONs with high magnetization values (70 emu/g) under 15 kOe of the applied magnetic field at room temperature, with 0.01 emu/g remanence via a coprecipitation method in the presence of trisodium citrate as a stabilizer. Naked SPIONs often lack sufficient stability, hydrophilicity, and the capacity to be functionalized. In order to overcome these limitations, polycationic polymer was anchored on the surface of freshly prepared SPIONs by a direct electrostatic attraction between the negatively charged SPIONs (due to the presence of carboxylic groups) and the positively charged polymer. Polyethylenimine was chosen to modify the surface of SPIONs to assist the delivery of plasmid DNA into mammalian cells due to the polymer's extensive buffering capacity through the "proton sponge" effect.
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You should read the entire science based medicine piece you posted. It debunks the concern. The part in bold you posted is a quote from what Dr. Gorski goes on to debunk. Reminds me of younger lawyers who pull soundbites from cases based on Westlaw searches without actually reading the case.
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I won't be so nice to him next time. The only difference is, it will come in the form of a PM so the rest of the board doesn't have to see it. |
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Just like some other response I heard sometime ago that the science is settled, you also believe this based on this one man's opinion? Gotcha, Pete. "At the same time the academics admit, almost in a puzzled fashion, that these “anti-maskers” do their investigations in a very scientific manner. “Indeed,” the paper claims, “anti-maskers often reveal themselves to be more sophisticated in their understanding of how scientific knowledge is socially constructed than their ideological adversaries, who espouse naïve realism about the ‘objective’ truth of public health data.” The MIT academics go on to admit that those opposed to masks are not afraid to get down and dirty in looking at statistics, nor are they afraid to increasingly question the media and government authorities, a trait MIT researchers call “a weaponization of critical thinking.” Even more surprising is the revelation that anti-maskers’ “approach to the pandemic is grounded in a more scientific rigor, not less.” https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/...ally-rigorous/
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And funny how when you thought Dr. Gorski was supporting your point of view YOU had no issue quoting him despite that he was a breast cancer surgeon. LOL. In fact, you were quoting Joseph Mercola, an extremely controversial alternative medicine osteopath who makes a fortune selling supplements.
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I understand completely what you're saying. But when I haven't posted in this thread in 3 plus days and then he wants to chime in and (mis)quote me and tell me what I'm going to say next, that is provoked. I'm letting it go. Will others? |
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I agree with quite a bit of what you wrote and I also disagree with quite a bit. The major issues are as follows:
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Federal law, signed in 1970 by President Nixon, prohibits TV ads for cigarettes with nicotine. My guess is the cigarette companies didn't mind at all, it saved them tons of money they would have had to spend to keep pace with the competition.
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You should read that site more often my friend, it will set you straight on science!!
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1970?!? That long ago? I was thinking it was late '70s. What about in magazines? I can't say that I recall seeing cigarette ads in magazines in a while either. Were they banned as well or am I just not looking at the "right" magazines?
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Hand hygiene, who would have thought? I mean in 1918 they didnt understand that, but here in modern times, I guess we needed a wake up call
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Yet, you deflect and make more false claims. “Embraced the fear narrative.” Really? You don’t think people are capable of getting the vaccine without embracing the fear narrative? “(M)any in this thread are scared of very unlikely events (even using the statistics and figures from the pro-fear faction without any critical analysis but simply taking them at straight face value)?” Again, those in favor of the vaccine are in favor because they’re “scared?” We came to our conclusion “without any critical analysis?” And you know this how, exactly? Is it your Aristotelian thinking that enables you to make these judgements? But, tell you what. I’ll allow you to deflect and I’ll discuss why I got the vaccine. There are two reasons that come readily to mind. Reason 1. My wife and my father. Even though I’m 67, I’m in good health with no health issues. I’m not concerned about myself. My wife is a couple of years older than me, has asthma and high blood pressure. I got the shots for her. My dad is 91. Is three years removed from bladder cancer. Has high blood pressure and had a stroke 1-1/2 years ago. I got the shots for him. Reason 2. To help stop mutations. As the virus continues to spread, it continues to mutate. As it continues to mutate, it increases the chances of it becoming even more deadly and more resistant to the vaccine. You may call that “the fear narrative,” I call it a potential reality. The sooner we can stop it, the better. Quote:
But again, you deflect and ponder if I’m alleging scientific consensus has never been wrong. How in the world could that possibly follow from what I wrote? I agree with you regarding the potential use of fear mongering to sell a particular point. It has been done many times and will probably continue to be practiced because it is so successful. However, I don’t agree that Climate Change is one of them. I happen to believe that man’s actions are causing the climate to change. Instead, I would use some of the following as examples of fear mongering: (a) an invading migrant horde attacking us from the south, (b) buy all the guns you can now because elected officials are coming after your guns, (c) voting for X is voting for socialism. Those appear to be very popular “fear narratives,” especially during election cycles. Quote:
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Anyone who agrees with the decision that people should be censored from screaming “FIRE!!” in a darkened theater is “vain or self-important.” Anyone who agrees that during wartime, certain information should be censored to keep it out of the enemy’s hands is “vain or self-important.” Anyone who agrees that cigarettes should not be peddled to people, including kids, on TV is “vain or self-important.” Quote:
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In your mind, you envision a better country, better than what we have now. And in that country kids wake up on Saturday mornings to watch cartoons filled with commercials from cigarette companies extolling the virtues of smoking – smoking makes you better looking, it makes you smarter, it makes you live longer, it makes you stronger, etc. Because to do otherwise, is “a threat to freedom and the foundational values of the Republic.” Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to get these damn keys off my forehead.
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Hope things go well, I've heard of a few people getting some minor aches and pains afterwards but nothing too bad.
I actually came down with Covid, myself, despite being fully vaccinated. Knocked me on my ass for two weeks. Had the full range of symptoms. Thankfully everything came back, including smell and taste. Have some general fatigue, still, but it will eventually clear itself up, according to my doctor. I'll be scheduling mine in a few months. I have a feeling this will turn into the new flu shot.
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Glad to hear you and the wife, feel okay. Hope you have a wonderful Thanksgiving.
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Still no vaccines for me and not a chance in hell in the near future either.
I have no idea what any of your guys States numbers are but up here we are now seeing more cases in the fully vaxxed than we are in the unvaxxed. Our Province is now over 86% fully vaxxed and our numbers are going up each and everyday. Tremendous vaccines! https://www.durhamradionews.com/archives/147696 Makes zero sense to me but I'm sure there are plenty of spins on it to explain it all.
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-49 year old woman, perfectly healthy (purchased our house in May), only member of the family (husband, 18 year old and a 12 and 10 year old) not to be vaccinated, 3 weeks on vent, wasn't able to say goodbye to family and died.
-mid 40's member of this forum, perfectly healthy, long hauler with as he puts it "covid fog" and other problems. This is at least 8 months later. -local plumber, mid 40's, overweight, has done work for me in the past, anti vax and mask on his facebook page, going on 3 weeks on a vent, dire condition. -a good friends brother in law who I am also friendly with, late 50's, also anti vax, multiple weeks in the hospital, came home for a week and is now back in the hospital with organ failure. Really good guy who is questioning why he didn't get the vaccine everytime I check in on him. Just some examples of people that I actually know....not anecdotal stories from strangers. Believe what you want...hopefully I won't add you to my list. Jeff Last edited by ibuysportsephemera; 11-25-2021 at 04:01 AM. |
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Bigfoot is real. What section is the Bigfoot thread in?
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