Hey, pennant guys

[Domer05]

C'mon Mark ... you have a bit more than 400 pennants, don't'ya?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Reminds me of the "headline" ashtrays and glasses from the period, and makes me wonder if there is any connection?

Gotta be, although the ashtray (and another mug I have) is a SF Chronicle headline- Gianrs Win - “Miracle”

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Nice, Mark! The Boston Braves pennant is especially great.

The SF Giants also have a newspaper style pennant from 1962. Maybe Oooribay can post a pic of his. I've never seen one for sale, although I see the Pirates from time to time.

There are at least two football pennants as well.

[Fballguy]

These are from the 1959 season.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

These are from the 1959 season.

Those are awesome! 9,800 posts into this thread and we find an entirely new and different category of pennants to discuss. That's why vintage Pennants are the King of sports memorabilia!

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Those are awesome! 9,800 posts into this thread and we find an entirely new and different category of pennants to discuss. That's why vintage Pennants are the King of sports memorabilia!

For sure! Colts and Pirates have the same slant; Giants do not.

[bocca001]

Saw this on ebay and thought I'd share it here. Pennants in the wild. I think they might be from 1951.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Saw this on ebay and thought I'd share it here. Pennants in the wild. I think they might be from 1951.

Very cool that this dates the Trench Yankees to ‘51. Those are great pennants.

[thetahat]

Okay hear me out. The Sioux City (IA) Indians played in the Western League from 1914-19. This is certainly from that era, with embroidered letter and a heavy army-blanket like felt.

Could this be a baseball pennant?

Ah, we will never know of course … A city named after a tribe would naturally use an Indian graphic. Either way it was cheap and the detail on the Indian is amazing. So many colors when screen printing was in its infancy. Had to get.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Saw this on ebay and thought I'd share it here. Pennants in the wild. I think they might be from 1951.

I have the Yankees mini!

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Okay hear me out. The Sioux City (IA) Indians played in the Western League from 1914-19. This is certainly from that era, with embroidered letter and a heavy army-blanket like felt.

Could this be a baseball pennant?

Ah, we will never know of course … A city named after a tribe would naturally use an Indian graphic. Either way it was cheap and the detail on the Indian is amazing. So many colors when screen printing was in its infancy. Had to get.

That’s a beautiful pennant, Greg! What do you “make of” the label?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

That’s a beautiful pennant, Greg! What do you “make of” the label?

Thanks, Rob. Interestingly, among the non-sports pennants that were shared by Marc a week or so ago, the ones either all the Repco labels … the one at bottom has the same label as the Sioux City …

Kyle?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Thanks, Rob. Interestingly, among the non-sports pennants that were shared by Marc a week or so ago, the ones either all the Repco labels … the one at bottom has the same label as the Sioux City …

Kyle?

A & Co. NY

Yes, calling Kyle…

[Domer05]

A & Co. N.Y. = Annin Flag Co., New York, NY.

By 1915, they were the largest maker of collegiate pennants in the nation.

And today, they're the biggest (domestic) manufacturer of US flags.

It's unclear when they stopped making felt pennants, but I've seen catalogs from them offering felt novelties as late as the 1950s.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Domer05

A & Co. N.Y. = Annin Flag Co., New York, NY.

By 1915, they were the largest maker of collegiate pennants in the nation.

No professional teams that you’ve been able to find?

[Domer05]

Only the 1915 or 1916 Boston Red Sox World Series champions pennant we've discussed before....

They made some ca. 1939 souvenir pennants for the National Baseball Hall of Fame, as well.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Only the 1915 or 1916 Boston Red Sox World Series champions pennant we've discussed before....

They made some ca. 1939 souvenir pennants for the National Baseball Hall of Fame, as well.

There’s no rhyme or reason to that. But Greg, is your Sioux City a professional pennant? “There’s a chance.”

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

There’s no rhyme or reason to that. But Greg, is your Sioux City a professional pennant? “There’s a chance.”

I’d feel it would be a good chance if the town wasn’t named after a tribe (or more accurately a group of tribes) …. But still possible!

[Kevin]

...dad asked me if I wanted them. He said they were stored in a smaller box, so creased. He then said he'd iron them. I told him not to do that. I wonder if the pennant he has for the New York team is Titans or Jets?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Kevin

...dad asked me if I wanted them. He said they were stored in a smaller box, so creased. He then said he'd iron them. I told him not to do that. I wonder if the pennant he has for the New York team is Titans or Jets?

Will be interesting to see what you get. You CAN iron them but they are likely to be synthetic (not actual wool/felt), so go with a low heat and cover the pennants with a towel.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Will be interesting to see what you get. You CAN iron them but they are likely to be synthetic (not actual wool/felt), so go with a low heat and cover the pennants with a towel.

Maybe I have a lousy iron or something but I’ve done it with mid and even high heat directly to surface, although always just the back and yes the older ones, not 1970s stiffies. Never any issues. Cloth pennants with creases that are 50+ years old seem to require it. Can’t touch the paint of course.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Maybe I have a lousy iron or something but I’ve done it with mid and even high heat directly to surface, although always just the back and yes the older ones, not 1970s stiffies. Never any issues. Cloth pennants with creases that are 50+ years old seem to require it. Can’t touch the paint of course.

Agree. Me, too. The “low heat with towel” was just to protect myself from any personal liability.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Gotta be, although the ashtray (and another mug I have) is a SF Chronicle headline- Gianrs Win - “Miracle”

My bad...there is an ashtray that matches that pennant...it was hiding in plain sight on the wall.

[Domer05]

I bought a Giants pennant (I guess)....

Always been a sucker for pennants with stadiums on them.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Domer05

I bought a Giants pennant (I guess)....

Always been a sucker for pennants with stadiums on them.

I was there. Kevin F’ing Elster.

[thetahat]

Here’s a minor league addition, seems to be 1950s.

[ooo-ribay]

Happy to add this. I was at the right place at the right time. I have 28 of these "LH batter and bridge" pennants in different colors and font variations but only four of them are like this one with the horizontal (as opposed to vertical) bat. I believe the horizontal bats pre-date the verticals. Probably late 1950s to early 1960s.

[perezfan]

Nice pickup Rob! That's a toughie, and yours is a beauty. Condition looks great and I love the colorful spine and tassels. Awesome example!

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Nice pickup Rob! That's a toughie, and yours is a beauty. Condition looks great and I love the colorful spine and tassels. Awesome example!

Thanks, Mark!

Q: other teams got the LH batter, correct? Maybe in stadiums, etc. rather than with the bridge? Did these other teams also get the horizontal bat variety?

[bocca001]

The Astros is the only other team I have seen, Rob.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

The Astros is the only other team I have seen, Rob.

I thought multiple teams had pennants similar to this. No?

[bocca001]

I thought you were asking about other teams with the horizontal bat.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

I thought you were asking about other teams with the horizontal bat.

I guess maybe I was. Do the other experts agree, only the Giants and Astros with the horizontal bat? I had always thought the Giants horizontal bats were probably 1958 to the early 1960s but the Astros weren’t Astros until 1965. What’s your theory?

BTW, pennant guys, there are almost as many PM-10 mysteries as pennant mysteries. Almost.

[bocca001]

The Astros version of this pennant is very poorly made. The materials are stiff and brittle. The font/letter spacing appears uneven. Both of my copies are damaged. I'll post my second copy below. This Astros pennant is, however, quite rare and I'm not sure I've ever seen an undamaged one. I think maybe Greg has a nicer copy?

There are also versions of the Giants pennant that are poorly made (although not as poorly made as the Astros). Very brittle tassels. Stiff felt material that can crack. See the first Giants below. I think these lesser quality Giants pennants were probably made around the time as the Astros. Mid to late 1960s. Maybe even 1970s. They remind me of some of the bootleg football pennants from the early 1970s with very brittle tassels. But there are also what seem to be earlier versions of the Giants pennant, made of all softer material. Often with colorful felt/cloth like yours. I've added a pic of one of my colored felt/cloth versions. I also have red.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I have 28 of these "LH batter and bridge" pennants in different colors and font variations but only four of them are like this one with the horizontal (as opposed to vertical) bat. I believe the horizontal bats pre-date the verticals. Probably late 1950s to early 1960s.

Here are a couple mid to late 60s LH batters sans bridge...

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Here are a couple mid to late 60s LH batters sans bridge...

Love the “TWA Salutes”!

But we’re trying to find horizontal bat varieties of the LH batter, Rob.

[sayheykid54]

I was fortunate to purchase this in my local area. Glad to add it to my collection.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by sayheykid54

I was fortunate to purchase this in my local area. Glad to add it to my collection.

Wow!

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by sayheykid54

I was fortunate to purchase this in my local area. Glad to add it to my collection.

Awesome find! That's a jaw-dropper, and condition looks amazing as well. Great pickup!

[perezfan]

Not a horizontal bat version, but a pretty scarce example, none-the-less...

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by sayheykid54

I was fortunate to purchase this in my local area. Glad to add it to my collection.

That looks incredible. Great pickup. Did it come framed or did you do that yourself?

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Love the “TWA Salutes”!

But we’re trying to find horizontal bat varieties of the LH batter, Rob.

Well…You’re a complex guy Rob. Because it seems you posed this question:

“Other teams got the left handed batter, correct?”

To which a reasonable person may reply with proof positive that it was in fact used for other than Giants pennants…as Mark subsequently did.

You then proceeded to post a pennant of the left handed batter whose bat looks distinctly vertical. Maybe it’s just your camera angle?

[perezfan]

Speaking of vertical vs. horizontal...

It's interesting how they designed that Tigers Banner. It had to have been a dilemma, regarding the best way to frame it. Vertically (to best feature the Tiger Mascot) or horizontally (to read the scroll of names).

Odd but intriguing design to say the least!

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by sayheykid54

I was fortunate to purchase this in my local area. Glad to add it to my collection.

Very nice, James! Eye candy

[Fballguy]

Here's a horizontal bat for you Rob...Attachment 673388

[bocca001]

Interesting, Rob. That clearly shows that design being used into the late 1960s.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

The Astros version of this pennant is very poorly made. The materials are stiff and brittle. The font/letter spacing appears uneven. Both of my copies are damaged. I'll post my second copy below. This Astros pennant is, however, quite rare and I'm not sure I've ever seen an undamaged one. I think maybe Greg has a nicer copy?

There are also versions of the Giants pennant that are poorly made (although not as poorly made as the Astros). Very brittle tassels. Stiff felt material that can crack. See the first Giants below. I think these lesser quality Giants pennants were probably made around the time as the Astros. Mid to late 1960s. Maybe even 1970s. They remind me of some of the bootleg football pennants from the early 1970s with very brittle tassels. But there are also what seem to be earlier versions of the Giants pennant, made of all softer material. Often with colorful felt/cloth like yours. I've added a pic of one of my colored felt/cloth versions. I also have red.

Here is mine

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Happy to add this. I was at the right place at the right time. I have 28 of these "LH batter and bridge" pennants in different colors and font variations but only four of them are like this one with the horizontal (as opposed to vertical) bat. I believe the horizontal bats pre-date the verticals. Probably late 1950s to early 1960s.

Very nice, Rob! So hard to find in such good condition.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Here's a horizontal bat for you Rob...

That’s just ducky! Thanks.

[sayheykid54]

I personally framed the Detroit Tigers Banner. Felt that framing it vertically with the "World Champs" on the top would display better.