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Posted By: barry arnold
many thanks, Ted. |
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Posted By: Dan Koteles
yes ,those with the unique backs. Walter Johnson WAS in that caramel set. Nice post & comments. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
DAN |
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Posted By: Dan Koteles
Ted-I had a few over the years and Iam sure someone has one here. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I started an E91 thread so we could get a Johnson card displayed. |
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Posted By: Dave Hornish
Interesting thread indeed. Is it possible that the link beteween Plank and the Pennsylvania produced sets is a sportswriter? I have read more than a few times that card producers used local sportswriters to bird dog and sign players for them. The geographical connection with Plank might be explained by this. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
DAVE.....and welcome to the club. |
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Posted By: JimB
I am late to this thread, but find Ted's theory very interesting. I would like to tweak it a little bit and see what you all think. |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
I still like Ted's thought. Plank was college educated, and contracted with American Caramel, the hometown boys, first. I think he honored his candy contract. He might not be in the other tobacco stuff because he was still ticked with ATT's presumptuous use of his likeness in T206, and that carried over to the other ATT issues. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Jim- but Plank is in T204 and T208, so your theory doesn't entirely hold up. |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Ahhh.... and was Fireside and Ramly part of the ATT??? There might be something to that, Barry. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Good point Frank. Maybe piece by piece the answer is coming. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
JimB |
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Posted By: JimB
I was under the impression that the tobacco explanation was confirmed by a period newspaper where Wagner explained it. Didn't he even give $10 offered to the ATC guy hired to sign up ballplayers for that rate so that the ATC guy would not be punished for his lack of desire to be represented selling cigarettes.? |
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Posted By: JimB
The T204 inclusion is puzzling, but T208 and T216 were so obscure that it is very possible he was unaware of those brands in Philadelphia or knew that his image was used. |
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Posted By: JimB
What about my question as to why Bender and Davis are not as rare as Plank in the 150 series? |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
This is a "quickie" as I have to go out......1908 (when the T206's were on the drawingboard) Bender had |
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Posted By: JimB
Ted, |
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Posted By: barry arnold
Ted, |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
We need Bill H to opine about this. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
....."Where have gone Bill Heitman....our Forum turns its lonely eyes to you ?" |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
The Graduate, 1967, plastics. And amen! |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
It took you only 5 mins. to answer all 3 trivia's....I made this too easy. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Ted- give us a hint. Two interesting facts is too vague. |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefieldf
Well I used to be a DJ... |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Frank- I think "Bookends" is one of the great albums of the era and is almost completely forgotten. I still have my original copy that I bought in 1968 and played it recently (yes, I still play vinyl on a turntable). |
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Posted By: scott brockelman
can still hear John Records Landecker coming in crystal clear at night after the other stations shut down the signal power. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
1st....You are correct, Joe D wasn't too happy about the lyrics......"where have you gone Joe DiMaggio". |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Landecker.... Scott you are moving cobwebs off of those memories. I, too, through the WLS static, can here John saying "super little old sister super-soul Janice Joplin, and the Full Tilt Boogie Band"... "38 and windy in the loop"... and stuff like that. In the days before FM rock, WLS boomed out at night, all across the heartland. |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
didn't know the "DiMaggio" line isn't in the movie... very nice, Ted. Gotta see it again, now! |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
My 4 years in the Air Force were divided between Champaign, Illinois and Bangor, Maine. WLS and WABC (NYC) |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Hound Dog and Elvis maybe??? I know little about his movies... Oddly, I only liked a few of his songs, Suspicious Minds, Kentucky Rain... |
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Posted By: DMcD
Rock Around the Clock |
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Posted By: JimB
Other than Bender and Davis not having good years in 1908 as Ted suggested, can anybody else suggest why they were not pulled like Plank if tobacco, rather than Philadelphia/American Caramel was not the reason. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
David McD |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
JimB |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Ok... here's what I think and why: |
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Posted By: Larry
I noticed that there was some direct descendants of Ed Plank featured during a commemorative ceremony in Gettysburg, PA not too long ago and there was an Ed Plank III and some grandchildren pictured...Maybe the historical society of the Philadelphia Athletics(which had a posted phone #) or the relatives know more about the history of his cards and or contracts??? It is worth an inquiry..see google Plank Athletics gettysburg key words and you will see some leads...Good Luck!!! |
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Posted By: David Hornish
Frank Wakefield's post was interesting but it should be pointed out Camden NJ is really a suburb of Philly and it where a lot of industry is (and was). Good stuff Frank. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Thanks for mentioning the A's Historical Society, they are only 45 mins. away from where |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Thank you for your very well-researched and detailed presentation which supports my Plank theory. |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
As I went to bed, with visions of baseball cards dancing in my head, I had another thought. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
You keep coming up with some great stuff....I am really impressed. |
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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted
Are you saying the E107 cards were produced in Philadelphia ? |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Well yes sir, kinda. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
You are a wealth of knowledge, Until now, I have never been able to find out where |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Some Philadelphia historical society or library will probably have a file on Breisch Williams, American Caramel, and all of that stuff, too. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
There is a 4th member of the Phila. A's team that we have overlooked in this discussion....and his |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Just returned from the A's Historical Society and cannot tell you much more than we already know. |
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Posted By: Brian Weisner
Hi Ted, |
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