BCCG Strikes Again

[Steve D]

Originally Posted by FUBAR

ok we will go with Michelle and Michael.... hows that? and before anyone asks, this is not from a personal experience...

That's better.


Steve

[FUBAR]

unless you're dating a Michelle or maybe you are dating Emma Mann.... who knows!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by buymycards

OK, so if Beckett is using BCCG for the mass markets, what is the point of this grading system? It takes just as long to grade a card as BCCG 6 good or better as it does to grade it Beckett or BVG 2. Why can Beckett grade a BCCG card for a couple of bucks but a BVG card costs more? I guess I don't get it.

In my mind BCCG = PRO. Both are equally deceptive.

Rick

Seriously Rick, you don't get it? Why don't you pose this question to every grading company? They all have different tiers (costs) and it has to do with liability, I believe, as well as the quickness of grading the submission. Also, and this is just a guess, but it probably takes more experience (paying someone with more experience) to grade the nuances of a 100 yr old card vs a 100 day old card. This is a poor analogy but why would a brain surgeon cost more than a general practitioner, on an hourly basis? Probably experience and liability. There is no doubt that every grading company has people that won't use them and Beckett is no different. Do I wish they would have used a different scale, sure I guess.....but then again I have been known to read what is on the label so I guess it just doesn't matter that much to me. It's America folks. Do what you want to....but I do trust BVG a lot with their grading. So far they have never failed me yet, though I haven't submitted as much to them as I have SGC....best regards

[Matt]

It appears the buyer was unhappy with his purchase:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=360247306344

[Frank A]

Bccg may have sold a lot of cards to unsuspecting people, but how many have they driven away with this practice. If you just started collecting and were told what a great deal you were getting on these high graded cards, and then find out there crap, youre pissed and leaving the hobby. I'm sure they drew a lot of new people into the hobby but then pissed them off, and most probably won't be back. There grading stinks and they should be ashamed of themselves for it. Quite a joke.

[sox1903wschamp]

Originally Posted by Matt

It appears the buyer was unhappy with his purchase:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=360247306344

The fishing pole is back in the pond

[birdman42]

Originally Posted by Leon

I doubt very seriously that BCCG is going to go away. If I were Beckett, and viewed this as Business 101, I wouldn't do away with it either.

More Business 101: Don't **** with your brand. Remember Crystal Pepsi? That one screwup came close to costing the company an entire year's profits.

There's a great basic marketing book titled What Were They Thinking? The author runs a "failed products" market research firm, and has thousands of products representing billions (yes, with a "b") of dollars worth of misguided product launches. Some of them actually have killed brands.

Beckett's other brand will come back to bite them, IMO

Bill

[joeadcock]

Have read this thread with interest.

Ultimately, the most responsible person is the buyer as he/she made the decision to buy the card. It is the buyer's responsibility to get all the information they can(if they desire) to know what they are buying. If they did not(which we dont know), then it is they're responsibility.

Not withstanding the obvious intent of the buyer(and the obvious BCCG intent in their grading system), the buyer will always be responsible as they made the decision to purchase.

If one were to argue that the buyer was duped by false information, agreed but they the buyer should have made sure there was some way to back out of this(i.e. guaranteed return policy).

I agree with posters, the likely lack of ethics of seller as well as the BCCG grading system(not of any use to those on this forum). And I agree, it is BAD.

It is possible as FUBAR says, that person is happy with their purchase as is.

[hunterdutchess]

They can keep the BCCG system just make it:

BCCG 1: POOR OR BETTER
BCCG 2: GOOD OR BETTER
BCCG 3: VG OR BETTER
BCCG 5: EX OR BETTER
BCCG 7: NM OR BETTER
BCCG 9: MINT OR BETTER

No more 10's making people think the card is a gem. If they would have done this in the first place there would be no issues. Come on BECKETT!

Examples:
Howe RC BCCG:http://cgi.ebay.com/1951-Parkhurst-G...4#ht_529wt_905
Howe RC PSA:http://cgi.ebay.com/1951-Gordie-Howe...#ht_500wt_1156

$1600 MORE FOR THE SAME CARD? The seller puts BVG BGS BCCG and then the buyer sees a big 8 in there new nice looking BCCG holders.

Also look at these Jordan RC:http://cgi.ebay.com/1986-86-87-FLEER...5#ht_500wt_922
http://cgi.ebay.com/1986-Fleer-Micha...#ht_500wt_1156
NM Jordan RC selling for $600+ when you can get a NM 7 for:
http://cgi.ebay.com/MICHAEL-JORDAN-R...#ht_500wt_1156

But there BCCG is making $$$ screw the buyers because they did not do there homework. BS.

[oldjudge]

This is why I would never buy a Beckett graded card or have a card graded by Beckett.