E90-1 Joe Jackson (PSA 2) REAL?

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by vintagecpa

Thanks for the help Christopher. Attaching pictures has never been my specialty.

You're welcome, Mike.

My point in showing both of those auctions was that someone in this thread had already pointed to the tampered label on that "1924 Yankees" signed baseball cube and yet the seller decided to list it again before researching if there is a problem.

I may be in the minority, but I have no sympathy for this seller. I do hope that the person who perpetuated this fraud is caught and penalized, but at this point we have no idea who that person is.

[MW1]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Kenny- I think the reason the Jackson was brought to a coin dealer was for exactly that reason: that you would have less expertise than a baseball card dealer, who would spot the fake more easily.

Given the proliferation of Chinese PCGS counterfeits onto the coin market several years ago, I would think that coin dealers would be MORE vigilant at inspecting holders and flips that your typical baseball card enthusiast.

http://www.pcgs.com/Articles/Detail/5286
http://coins.about.com/od/coingradin...-PCGS-Slab.htm
http://forums.collectors.com/message...hreadid=647774

[vintagecpa]

I think what concerns me the most is this mornings auction. I try to put myself in the sellers shoes. If I had just found out on Saturday that 2 or 3 of my expensive baseball cards were most likely reprints in fake PSA holders, I don't think I would be listing an $8k baseball on my Sunday morning without doing a ton of research. The ball might be legit, but you can't ignore the sticker.

[dstraate]

I'm just not convinced by the seller either. It seems to me equally probable that a person might:

Try a pilot scam with a few low dollar cards, see that it works, and put your feedback to work by simultaneously listing three huge profit items: Jackson, Mantle, and Ruth. When your cover is blown by a relatively obscure message board, create a handle, say all the right things, and wait for the dust to settle.

I just don't believe you buy that Jax if your business is coins and you "don't know much about cards"

EG "John, I know you collect and sell cards, but I've got an opportunity for you. This is one of the toughest and most valuable coins in the hobby. I've just gotta get it off my hands. If you put down 5K on it right now, you'll probably double your money tomorrow on Ebay". If you where John, what would you say?!

This isn't to say that honest sellers don't get duped, but scammers always have alibi when they get uncovered, and it usually starts with "I don't know anything about it".

[YankeeCollector]

Originally Posted by dstraate

I'm just not convinced by the seller either. It seems to me equally probable that a person might:

Try a pilot scam with a few low dollar cards, see that it works, and put your feedback to work by simultaneously listing three huge profit items: Jackson, Mantle, and Ruth. When your cover is blown by a relatively obscure message board, create a handle, say all the right things, and wait for the dust to settle.

I just don't believe you buy that Jax if your business is coins and you "don't know much about cards"

EG "John, I know you collect and sell cards, but I've got an opportunity for you. This is one of the toughest and most valuable coins in the hobby. I've just gotta get it off my hands. If you put down 5K on it right now, you'll probably double your money tomorrow on Ebay". If you where John, what would you say?!

This isn't to say that honest sellers don't get duped, but scammers always have alibi when they get uncovered, and it usually starts with "I don't know anything about it".

+1

[KennyJ1970]

I know this is an old thread, but I was hoping to get some help from the community. A couple of years ago, I was listing some baseball cards, namely a Joe Jackson, and a Mickey Mantle rookie on ebay. It was brought to my attention that these were fakes, and I had several conversations with people on this forum pertaining to these cards. I no longer work for the company that listed these. The problem is...the owner continues to list fake items on his Ebay. Currently, there are at least three baseballs that are autographed, 1948 Indians ball, Joe DiMaggio ball with COA by Sports Collectors Inc., and Mickey Mantle ball, all of which I am 99% sure are not authentic. The Mickey Mantle ball was viewed by JSA and said to be not authentic. The owner believes that if he has a return policy on these items, that he is ok to sell them, however, they are still not real. Would someone on here look at the items and give your opinion and ideas to get these unlisted?

[Sean1125]

One of the auctions in question:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MICKEY-MANTL...item2c7879141d