"Lucky 7" find - Cobb with Cobb back

[ullmandds]

i used to think rarity should equate to desirability/value...but for the masses it does not! In fact I feel the relationship is inverse in most cases.

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

seeing as this cobb card is recognized to NOT be T206...what exactly are u referring to?

That is debatable.

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by Bpm0014

Found in Myrtle Beach, SC. I'm on the fence if these should be classified as T206s or not. But if they are, why isn't the set 525?? Why do we consider the set complete at 524??

Because it's a different back lol. NOT a different card. It's Cobb Red Background.

[toppsman]

Originally Posted by Pat R

What a great find. Would like to see larger scans of these, the centering
and registration look really nice on most of these. It's interesting how different
the colors on the uniforms are and how the D's are dark on four of them
and light on the other three,

They say a picture's worth a thousand words.

Wow.

A picture of cards they say are worth a cool million.

I wonder (like I would know) if they'll bring any more than that.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Bpm0014

Found in Myrtle Beach, SC. I'm on the fence if these should be classified as T206s or not. But if they are, why isn't the set 525?? Why do we consider the set complete at 524??

Because the number is based off the front image. It isn't based off all the possible front/back combos.

[packs]

This is awesome. But I think the hobby needs to retire the "find craze" it's run itself into lately. Lucky 7 find just sounds silly. And to see it on the flip is weird.

[Jobu]

+1

"Lucky 7" sounds like the name of a slot machine.

Edited to add: Leon, you should buy all of these and change it to the "Luckey 7". That I would be OK with.

Originally Posted by packs

This is awesome. But I think the hobby needs to retire the "find craze" it's run itself into lately. Lucky 7 find just sounds silly. And to see it on the flip is weird.

[Leon]

I wish I could afford even 1 of them. I guess the story is big, I just saw it on the Good Morning America tv show. They said the 7 would bring conservatively 1M. Another collector and myself thought about an estimate of 2M for the group.....who knows.

Originally Posted by Jobu

+1

"Lucky 7" sounds like the name of a slot machine.

Edited to add: Leon, you should buy all of these and change it to the "Luckey 7". That I would be OK with.

[jbbama]

Call me skeptical for sure....just doesn't add up for me.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by jbbama

Call me skeptical for sure....just doesn't add up for me.

what could you possibly be skeptical about????? PSA...the most respected name in the hobby...authenticated them.

Seriously...they are real,,,and this kinda thing happens!

I'm more skeptical of there being only "2" or a "handful" of cards known. I mean who would make the effort to only print a few of an item???

[scotgreb]

Anyone else notice they are all half grades?

[Bpm0014]

But if they are, why isn't the set 525?? Why do we consider the set complete at 524??

Because it's a different back lol. NOT a different card. It's Cobb Red Background.

Duh!!! Sorry, I knew that. It was too early when I posted that!!! haha

[glynparson]

3rd time now that a grouping of this card was found. Some people just do not seem to grasp what is still out there in some of the attics of these old homes that have not changed families for decades or centuries. It is the only card from the series possible so those saying why no commons do not know what they are talking about. PSA makes mistakes this is not one of them. I agree with Leon on the around 2 million figure.

[baseballfan]

Originally Posted by scotgreb

Anyone else notice they are all half grades?

from the story:

That said, the combined eye appeal of the group is sensational on the face of the cards, far exceeding the numerical grades assigned. This included the backs, which are considered very clean for the issue in question. Each card was absent any eyesore-like stains, which plague at least a decent portion of the previously-discovered examples.

As a result, each of the seven cards received a half-point grade ranging from PSA FR (Fair) 1.5 to VG-EX + 4.5. There were also four PSA Good + 2.5s and one PSA VG + 3.5. The PSA 3.5 and 4.5 now represent the two highest grades received in the marketplace.


what a find. they are beautiful all together

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by jbbama

Call me skeptical for sure....just doesn't add up for me.

Trust me, you're not the only one.

I wonder if the cards were found by these 2 guys...

[rjackson44]

funny david

[glynparson]

is asinine. They are real again are people just ignorant about this card and its history of being found in groups or are they just jealous they did not make the find?

[Bpm0014]

Asinine indeed. If you were to introduce a fake Cobb/Cobb back to the marketplace, surely you wouldn't introduce SEVEN (7) fake Cobb/Cobb backs at one time to the marketplace!

[packs]

No opinion on authenticity but I think it is important to be at least a little skeptical of something like this. The hobby deemed a blue backed Old Mill authentic despite there being a reprinted T206 set with the same style and color backs.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by glynparson

is asinine. They are real again are people just ignorant about this card and its history of being found in groups or are they just jealous they did not make the find?

Originally Posted by Bpm0014

Asinine indeed. If you were to introduce a fake Cobb/Cobb back to the marketplace, surely you wouldn't introduce SEVEN (7) fake Cobb/Cobb backs at one time to the marketplace!

Asinine? First of all, I was only joking. Second, if you were going to 'fake' the find of course you would introduce 7 at the same time because, as Glyn mentioned, they have a history of being found in groups.

Get your panties out of a wad.

[Orioles1954]

Could there have been multiple Cobb cards packed per tin? We already know the Red Portrait was a superprint. Could the the ATC have shipped overstock to this regional brand? Maybe that could explain the quantities.

[Mdmtx]

What I meant by no commons is this: we are supposed to believe that in the era of tobacco cards inserted in tobacco this guy (or gal) only bought 1 type at 1 time. No automobiles? Flags? Rulers of the world? No t205? No t207? No historic homes? Only 7 of the most rare cards possible. Ok. I get it.

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by Mdmtx

What I meant by no commons is this: we are supposed to believe that in the era of tobacco cards inserted in tobacco this guy (or gal) only bought 1 type at 1 time. No automobiles? Flags? Rulers of the world? No t205? No t207? No historic homes? Only 7 of the most rare cards possible. Ok. I get it.

Dude probably liked Ty Cobb tobacco. Bought a few tins and saved the cards. Doesn't seem so far fetched to me.

[Mdmtx]

And I'm also relieved that nobody would try to have a sensational positive news story on the heels of bad press. That stuff doesn't happen, does it?

[steve B]

Originally Posted by mrvster

you hit the nail on the head! obvious now they were distributed in the tins for a short period of time....similar to the polar bear pouch....that's why no other 206's found with them...and they are found in groupings....it was the only card in the tin probably.....

I will probably get beat up for this, but given that theory, I really don't believe they should be classified as a 206.....the gloss on them is the nail in the coffin ...

they are obviously a separate issue similar to how the 206 images were marketed on other issues like coupon , ect....

otherwise , or there would be other subjects distributed in the tin..


I'm sorry....I really don't think they warrant the ridiculous price tag! or to be classified as 206....

i'll take wagz or doyle ANYDAY over this hyped up non 206....




BASH AWAY BOARD MEMBERS

You only feel that way because there haven't been any Cobb/Cobb scraps yet

Steve B

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by Mdmtx

What I meant by no commons is this: we are supposed to believe that in the era of tobacco cards inserted in tobacco this guy (or gal) only bought 1 type at 1 time. No automobiles? Flags? Rulers of the world? No t205? No t207? No historic homes? Only 7 of the most rare cards possible. Ok. I get it.

Originally Posted by Mdmtx

And I'm also relieved that nobody would try to have a sensational positive news story on the heels of bad press. That stuff doesn't happen, does it?

Don't worry Mark, there isn't any writing on the backs of these.

[Mdmtx]

Lol

[GasHouseGang]

Maybe these cards were issued like the caramel cards. If you bought a tin of Ty Cobb tobacco, you would get a Cobb card. Someone who owns a store, ends up with a small pile of leftovers after the promotion. They put the leftover cards in a paper bag and forgets about them. 100 years later they are found in the bottom of the paper bag. It's possible.

[JustinD]

Seems completely logical that the Cobb tobacco tin distro theory has just been proven and this guy liked it.

I really have no reason to really be skeptical on this. People have always had brand loyalty.

[tedzan]

Some of these Cobb cards were most likely packaged in the Cobb Tobacco Tin and others were handed out to "admirers" of Cobb.

This would account for some of them having glossy fronts, and others not, respectively.


TED Z
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[tedzan]

We had a interesting and spirited discussion on this subject 7 years ago. Check-out this thread (dated 1-26-2009).."Continuing the Ty Cobb/Ty Cobb back debate"
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=92026

If you don't have the time to read thru this very informative thread, then I'll save you the trouble by this excerpting this Post (#89) in it......

These Feb and Mar 1910 Newspaper clippings cinched for me....these dates fall within the T206 rubric....this Cobb card is indeed the 525th card in the T206 set.

Originally Posted by Archive

Posted By: Shawn

I am not sure what the article below is about, because I do not have a subscription to the site... I sure would like to read it though! I have noticed that the "Ty Cobb" brand advertisements are prodominately in the "Macon Weekly Telegraph" paper in Ga. The months seem to be Feb. and Mar. of 1910. If someone has a subscription to genealogybank.com, it would be nice to see some of the full adds. (there seems to be some full page adds)


"Macon Weekly Telegraph" 1910

TED Z
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[t206hound]

Originally Posted by tedzan

These Feb and Mar 1910 Newspaper clippings cinched for me....these dates fall within the T206 rubric....this Cobb card is indeed the 525th card in the T206 set.
.

As stated earlier, unless the front of the Cobb (Red Portrait)/Ty Cobb back is different from the Cobb (Red Portrait) of every other back, then it would not be #525.

[tedzan]

Erick

I'm not sure what you are saying....do you think this Cobb is, or is not part of the T206 family ?

And, if not then please clarify ?


TED

[packs]

It is not. Then you'd have to count all the T213-1s and the T215-1s. They have the same fronts as well. It is not a new card. The checklist is not broken down by backs, it's broken down by fronts.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by packs

It is not. Then you'd have to count all the T213-1s and the T215-1s. They have the same fronts as well. It is not a new card. The checklist is not broken down by backs, it's broken down by fronts.

Interesting that you say this....since I do indeed consider the 1910 COUPON cards as part of the T206 family.

Furthermore, although I feel ambivalent regarding the T215-1 cards (since some of them were issued in 1912), I could see how they also fit within the T206 rubric.


TED Z
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[t206hound]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Erick

I'm not sure what you are saying....do you think this Cobb is, or is not part of the T206 family ?

And, if not then please clarify ?


TED

the 524 is based on the front... not the back. This is "just another" Cobb Red Portrait.

[Pat R]

The only tin found so far that has a stamp on it is dated 1912.


http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/...preview/2.html

[packs]

I think it can be considered part of the family but you said it was an addition to the checklist, bringing the cards to 525 total. I don't agree with that because it's not a new card and the checklist isn't developed with backs in mind.

[Topps206]

That is some unbelievable luck.

[tedzan]

This Cobb was printed and issued within the time frame of the printing of the 350 series T206's.....circa early Spring 1910.

It's caption is printed with BROWN ink. The Factory #33 identified on it's back is the Reidsville, NC. The ATC factory where
the Ty Cobb Tobacco was produced.

There is nothing on this White-Bordered tobacco card that prevents it from being a T206.

Hey, there are 5 cards of Hal Chase in the T206 set, so why not 5 cards of Ty Cobb.


TED Z
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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

This Cobb was printed and issued within the time frame of the printing of the 350 series T206's.....circa early Spring 1910.

It's caption is printed with BROWN ink. The Factory #33 identified on it's back is the Reidsville, NC. The ATC factory where
the Ty Cobb Tobacco was produced.

There is nothing on this White-Bordered tobacco card that prevents it from being a T206.

Hey, there are 5 cards of Hal Chase in the T206 set, so why not 5 cards of Ty Cobb.


TED Z
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Ted,

You're missing the point that Erick and "packs" are making.
This wouldn't be a 5th Cobb, the Cobb (red portrait) already
exists in the 524 card checklist.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Pat R

The only tin found so far that has a stamp on it is dated 1912.


http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/...preview/2.html

Show me where on this Tin a "1912" date is printed ?

As you said....the 1912 date is from the tax stamp on it. Which does NOT
tell us when this Cobb tobacco or this Cobb card was marketed.

Please check-out Post #81 here, where the early Spring 1910 Newspaper
clippings clearly tell us when these Cobb cards were in circulation.


TED Z
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[GasHouseGang]

Here's the picture showing the date.

[packs]

I'm not following what you're saying. If a card is already on the checklist, why would a back make it a new addition to the checklist? The card is Cobb Red Portrait. Any Cobb Red Portrait with any back is still the same card.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by tedzan

This Cobb was printed and issued within the time frame of the printing of the 350 series T206's.....circa early Spring 1910.

It's caption is printed with BROWN ink. The Factory #33 identified on it's back is the Reidsville, NC. The ATC factory where
the Ty Cobb Tobacco was produced.

There is nothing on this White-Bordered tobacco card that prevents it from being a T206.

Hey, there are 5 cards of Hal Chase in the T206 set, so why not 5 cards of Ty Cobb.


TED Z
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1. Bat on
2. Bat off
3. Red portrait
4. Green portrait
5. ?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

1. Bat on
2. Bat off
3. Red portrait
4. Green portrait
5. ?

Glossy red portrait maybe??

[deucetwins]

Are we 100% sure that the cards, the holders, and the flips didn't come from Mexico.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Show me where on this Tin a "1912" date is printed ?

As you said....the 1912 date is from the tax stamp on it. Which does NOT
tell us when this Cobb tobacco or this Cobb card was marketed.

Please check-out Post #81 here, where the early Spring 1910 Newspaper
clippings clearly tell us when these Cobb cards were in circulation.


TED Z
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I'm not speculating that this is when the cards were made available. I was
just pointing out the date on the stamp for the distribution of this tobacco/tin.

As far as I know no one is sure the cards were even in these tins.

I did see post #81 and I don't see where it "clearly tells us when the cards
were circulated". I also don't see a date on any of the newspaper clippings.

[Stonepony]

FOX news just did a segment on the find

[CMIZ5290]

I agree with Glyn and Leon. I think these cards will easily exceed $2 Mil....