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Posted By: Steve M.
I'm going to stick my neck out on this one and say that the ratio of raw T206 to graded T206 is 50:1. At that it will take forever for submissions to dry up. Collectors may dry up way before then. |
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Posted By: T206Collector
There are about 1,000 T206 cards/auctions on ebay right now. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
George- interesting point. All resources are finite and baseball cards are too. I do think there is still a good deal of raw material out there, so there are still a number of years left before that happens. |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
"Incidently, I don't recall ever having seen a Net54 poster exposing another member's actual bidding #'s |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
The card sold at a high price because of a combination of factors... |
#56
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Posted By: leon
Since grading is a major part of the hobby my guess is any place, anywhere, when talking about baseball cards, grading will be talked about. What's the title of this thread? I have already stated my feelings many times....I think grading is good but it's better to know the cards yourself....98% of my value in my collection is SGC slabbed....but only about 50% of my cards...What's a moderator/dictator/collector to do? best regards |
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Posted By: peter chao
Leon, |
#58
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Hmmmmm.... 99%+ of my collection isn't slabbed. I think I have 5 cards at the moment that are slabbed. 2 I just haven't gotten around to busting out, 1 I'm going to sell, 1 I'm going to give away to a young man... I don't understand the question "why only 50%" What is the "only" about? Maybe he hasn't gotten around to getting the others slabbed. Maybe he hasn't gotten around to busting more out... |
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Posted By: leon
The reasons for my slabs are, dare I say, almost purely financial. I have admitted I have spent, and do spend, more on cards than I really should. I doubt I am the only one in that boat. I like to have SGC give me their opinion on high value cards. Recently I bought a 5 figure card that came back as altered. I totally missed it with a 6x. Had I not sent it in I would have only found out when I was selling it as the next buyer would have probably wanted it looked at. I like handling my cards, fondling them (sort of), smelling them...and all that. That's why I like a lot of them naked. I am in the camp of liking the fact that someone I trust has also deemed the cards authentic. I do think folks rely too much on slabs though and really should get to know the cards more themselves.....Another thing is that in a slab I can handle the cards and not worry about dropping them or creasing them etc.....which is a big plus for me ...(though not as much of a plus as my dear friend Rich Klein....(inside joke)).....best regards |
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Posted By: JK
Frank stated: |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
JK, you specultate as to my speculation... |
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Posted By: John
To be an ol’time expert card collector do you have to have a condescending know-it-all attitude as a prerequisite or is that a bonus?? |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
I stayed out of this thread a long time, and let ol' Ted take his lumps. But most folks seemed to not understand his frustration. So I was resting... but 4 dozen posts later, it's time someone attempted to explain that he knew what he was doing and has reason to be frustrated. |
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Posted By: JK
Frank, |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
I'm certain all don't. |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Come on, Josh, you don't think anyone could possibly understand an issue as complex as back scarcity with a set as obscure as T206, do you? |
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Posted By: John
Back scarcity?? You mean they come with different types of backs??? |
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Posted By: George Dreher
Hey don't forget what was found in Honus Wagner's attic after he died. |
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Posted By: JK
Oh hell, you mean these cards have backs? Im always so busy starring at the number on the front of the slab, that it has never dawned on me to turn one over. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
This Thread is degenerating into the usual "civil war" between the "plastic" vs "free-cardboard" types. |
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Posted By: Dave
$190 |
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Posted By: George Dreher
I'll guess $200. It would be a steal at that price. |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
That's an interesting question, because in this case I think it's entirely possible that the holder could have had an impact on the price, in a way that was favorable to you as the buyer. Over the last year or so, I've noticed cards in GAI holders selling for well below market value in a lot of cases. |
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Posted By: Dave
Al, thats what played into the price I had said at $190 was the holder....otherwise I would have put it at $250-$275 range. |
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Posted By: Steve M.
I agree with Al and Dave $250 to $275. Trend to the high side of that range. |
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Posted By: Dave
I would say $250-275 in a PSA or SGC holder...would you pay that much for the card in a GAI holder though? |
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Posted By: Dave
I believe the last one auctioned in a GAI 4.5 holder went for $181 and some change...albeit probably didn't have that back. |
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Posted By: Steve M.
I would buy the card, not the holder. |
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Posted By: Dave
I understand buying the card and not the holder..a nice looking PSA 4 Cicotte or a nice looking SGC 50. For me anyway...with GAI it wouldn't be about buying the holder..the holder would actually hold me back.. |
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Posted By: Steve M.
the card pictured would easily cross-over to a PSA 4 or SGC 50. May even be lucky enough to get a 5 or 60. With that I would have no problem paying $275.00 for the card. |
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Posted By: T206Collector
Given that GAI is a more permissive grader of T206 cards than PSA and SGC, I suspect there is a reason that GAI did not go to 5 on this one. I also have never had a 'tweener GAI bumped up by SGC in a crossover. My feeling is this card has a wrinkle that is hard to see -- and definitely not visible in the scan. |
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Posted By: Frank Evanov
Given GAI's poor track record, I would say $150 for that one. Any paper loss on the top border? |
#83
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
$80, US currency.... |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
At 215, I think most would agree it was a nice purchase. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
After reviewing all the responses in this thread (some 80+ posts), I have these observations.... |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Ted- I don't feel you completely lost on the Evers card, because you wanted it for your set and you got it. That is worth something. |
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Posted By: T206Collector
"I will not accept the argument that the Cicotte is graded by an "inferior" Grading Co (GAI)." |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
I understand some of your points, Ted, but there are a couple of variables here. |
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Posted By: Dave
I definately agree not all card graders are the same. I'm a PSA guy, that hasn't been a secret. I would also however buy from SGC...because "generally" speaking they will usually cross over for me. GAI, I've never had them cross over...in fact the three GAI cards I submitted to PSA all came back trimmed after being encased in GAI slabs. That definately plays a factor in what GAI cards sell for...and is the reason that Cicotte that would go for $175-$200 in a GAI holder would go for $275-$300 in a PSA or even SGC holder. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
In the past 6 years, I have had PSA rejected "Evidence of Trimmed" (EoT) cards get graded by SGC. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
PAUL |
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Posted By: Dave
For one...if he gets $700 for that card I'll be shocked...it's not a $700 card. Is it hard to hide the fact though Ted that graded cards do command a premium...and GAI is at the tail end of the money machine. Of course your going to find examples of each company rejecting the grades of others...GAI included. Still, the facts are the facts...your going to get GAI cards cheaper than you are PSA or SGC overall. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I appreciate what you are saying......and, I guess I was lucky finding Cicotte in a GAI plastic. |
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Posted By: RC
Ted |
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Posted By: T206Collector
Ted, |
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Posted By: T206Collector
I do want to add that there really is nothing to the grading vs. raw debate. I 100% respect the ideals of the collectors like Frank and Ted who crack open the cases of their PSA, SGC and GAI cards to slot the cards into sheets or whatever. That takes a lot of class and, frankly, a pure joy of the card itself. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
PAUL.....you amaze me....you are no where near where I live, yet you keep telling me about |
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Posted By: T206Collector
You're absolutely right -- I have no idea what is wrong with that Cicotte. Just because GAI routinely overgrades cards does not mean that in this instance they didn't undergrade the card. Since it is cracked out, the only thing a future buyer will be able to go on is your view of the card. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I really hate to ask you this question.....but, I am going to, anyhow.....how did you collect BB cards, |
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Posted By: T206Collector
You said on March 13 in this thread: |
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