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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: MikeU
"About PSA.... |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: Larry
Hi Mike.. |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: bruce Dorskind
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: WP
bruce, |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
"SGC does distinguish b/t white and yellow letters in the 58 topps set. If you go to clemente, for example, on the second page of the report, his name is in blue (ie signifying there is a link). If you click it, you get the following: |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: barrysloate
Bruce- we've had this conversation before but let me reiterate- of all the trends in the hobby I'm not sure making the industry a high stakes playground for the rich and powerful is such a great one. I believe 95% of the collectors really do just want to relax and enjoy collecting cards and want to be taken back to a simpler time when it was more fun. I think the set registry crowd represents less than 5% of the hobby, and likely a lot less. For every collector who wants baseball cards to be traded like stocks there are ten collectors who are turned off by the whole thing. Making the hobby accessible only to the very rich is not a good long term formula for growth. I say sit back, relax, and enjoy it. And yes, while PSA is the name brand, I think it's also been proven that they need to work on improving their product. That has been demonstrated in countless threads on this board. |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: Jim Crandell
1)PSA saved the vintage baseball card hobby drawing hundreds of collectors back to the hobby who had given it up due to all the card alteration. |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: warshawlaw
but I just saw this gem on ebay and had to offer it here: |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: barrysloate
Jim- no doubt third party grading has been a boon to the hobby and has helped cull out altered cards- but we just had a long thread exposing a clearly altered T206 Broadleaf residing in a PSA holder. I don't know about you, but that would make me a little nervous if I were buying very high end and very expensive graded cards. Is that error an exception or possibly one of many? |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: jay behrens
Barry, I hope that's a rehetorical question. All we have to do is look at the Hall collection cards. The number of cards carrying that label that appear trimmed is inordinately high. While we can't say that trimmed and altered cards are the rule in PSA8-9 holders, there are definately far too many of them in those holders. |
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Posted By: dennis
PSA did not grade the t206 doyle that mr. mint sold to keith olbermann. |
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Posted By: Joann
Assume that PSA grades more trimmed cards than SGC. Even considering proportionate number of total cards graded, that appears to be a decent assumption. |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: Jim Crandell
Barry, |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: Josh K.
How about this one - I like that PSA is willing to grade a card a 5 even if it has wrinkles and 4 if it has creases and paperloss. |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Josh, check out the Plank E 95 card in the Goodwin auction -- it has paper loss and is graded a GAI 5. |
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Posted By: Josh K.
I agree - gai is just as bad in that regard. |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
I think in the end we all have to agree that at least the big 3 grading companies try to root out bad cards but are clearly not always successful. At least they ostensibly try. But when you see a card graded 5 with a paper loss....and I have a vague memory that either Jay or Lee produced a PSA 6 with paper loss, I might be wrong, you just have to believe that something fishy is afoot. |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: MikeU
The PSA brand is a very powerfull. However, it is not a stretch to think that all of the current grading companies may not exist in 30 years. So personally, I think it is more important to use someone you trust the most, as you likely will have to cross your cards in 20, 30 or 40 years. |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: Bruce Babcock
I sent a card to PSA with paper loss on the front which came back an "8." When I sold it at auction, the winning bid reflected the condition of the card, not the stated grade. |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: Lee Behrens
Enron had a big market share how are they doing now. The day will come when PSA crashes, I know I wouldn't be going down with the ship. I have always had an open mind but there is just too many negatives piled up against PSA. |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: JimCrandell
MMikeU, |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: barrysloate
I think Mike U. has set the net54 record for the longest post, and likewise one of the most provocative. And I am embarrassed to say I have no idea who you are. Is your identity confidential? But I will say this- based on Mike's post and Jim Crandall's response, the only thing I feel confident about is that the entire grading system needs to be reevaluated and perhaps rebuilt from the ground floor up. There is too much erosion of trust and I don't like what I see. Mike's point that the grading services won't hold for 30 or 40 years (I'll be dead by then) is just another way of saying the current way business is being conducted will not survive, and a new business model is needed. Regardless of which of the big three one supports, I just don't think that there is enough collector confidence and I have this nagging feeling that one day the whole industry will implode and have to start over again from scratch. If there is this much controversy in a system that in theory should be entirely objective and detached from any personal relationships, then it is clear that the current model is not working. |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: JimCrandell
Barry, |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: Larry
Barry- |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: leon
It's only fair that Mike be known...FYS is a forum member, Mike Uhl (hi Mike), whom I have known and conversed with many times. Mike visits many different chatboards, I believe, and is partial to SGC....as many vintage baseball card collectors are. regards |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Here goes- I've been thinking about this and I would like to propose some radical changes that are needed. Some will disagree, no doubt. Here goes: |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: JimCrandell
I believe that PSA used to have two graders look at every card that was graded before it went into the slab. |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: MikeU
Jim, |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: JimCrandell
Mike, |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: MVSNYC
i was away for the weekend; bachelor party at the Borgata in A/C...it was fun ...anyway, i am bothered by these recent PSA-bashing posts, even after someone created a post to try to collect some positive characteristics of the company...it turns into a blood bath once again...my PSA positives: |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: jay behrens
The only mislabeling we see here is that of vintage cards. I hate think how many more we would see if we all scoured modern cards a vigilantly as we do vintage cards. Besides, many of the gaffs that are pointed out are inexcusable, like labeling a t206 Heinie Wagner as Honus Wagner. |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: MVSNYC
i have sent many cards into PSA (i'm a collector, not a dealer, so that number over the years is maybe only 100+ cards)...out of those there have been many times that PSA has rejected T206 cards sighting evidence of trimming...so for the record, i know a lot of you think they slab trimmed cards, but speaking from experience, they reject tons of cards they feel are trimmed... |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: jay behrens
Glad you've mastered the painfully obvious. No one said that PSA slabs every trimmed card they get, just an inordinate number of them. So why do you think you exeprience is any different than anyone else? |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: Josh K.
That settles it - Im sending all my cards to PSA for crossover now that I know how cool the PSA slabs sound when "clanked together." |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: MVSNYC
...whata tuff crowd. |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: Gilbert Maines
Here is something positive: |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: Gilbert Maines
Barry: |
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Posted By: Jerry Hrechka
I was searching old topics and found this one an interesting read. Just reinforces my decision to stay away from PSA slabbed cards. |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: Joe D.
Here are my positives: |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: Phil Garry
The only thing I would use PSA for is to grade baseball pinbacks because SGC does not have a holder for those. |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: JohnKalafarski
Since '33 Goudeys are my major interest, I prefer PSA to SGC. SGC is weak on corners and I like strong corners. SGC holders highlight corners, inviting the eye to behold the frayed corner. One of the honchos at SGC told me that, for them, centering is almost everything. I like pack fresh, original gloss over better centering. For me, eye appeal is the name of the game. The PSA holder is more aesthetically pleasing. I agree with Barry that PSA is too big and more prone to error. I've always found their customer service excellent. They fetch higher prices too. SGC has found a niche in early dead-ball, not my area of concern. |
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Can we say something positive about PSA or is it always terrible?
Posted By: matt m
For the first time in my life, I bought an SGC card today. Usually, I've always stuck with PSA's, but after reading this board for the last 3 or 4 months, I thought I'd give SGC at try. I actually didn't send them a card for grading, but simply bought a card on Ebay that was SGC graded 8 (88). I won't send it to PSA (reholdering)for fear that they would downgraded the card, as they ALWAYS have with other third party graders. Does anyone have horror stories of downgrades, on the reholder basis, from SGC to PSA? (Probably Jim Crandell does) But, do others have tales? |
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