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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: pas
When guys collect in a very public manner it does not seem inappropriate to me to discuss them on a message board. |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: JimB
Not everybody mentioned collects in a public manner. |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: barrysloate
What if any of the above named collectors googled their name, was directed to this board, and found out their collecting habits were being discussed without their knowledge? Do you feel certain they would be okay with that? |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: Darren
I agree with Barry and will take it a step further. I don't think it is "right" to research what other individuals are buying on Ebay either. Sure it may be legal, but it just ain't right. |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: Peter Thomas
Are there two pin holes or dimples in upper right (top & side)? Also card seems to have a crease on chin coming out of the shirt edge. Looks like a nice vg to me. |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: Bobby Binder
It looks over sized to me I am surprised it has not been trimmed down and put in a 7 holder. |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: Marty Ogelvie
IMO As long as were not giving out SSNs and such, I don't see the problem with mentioning a collectors name... even if it is to say 'so and so' collects this or that.. small potato's. martyOgelvie New York Yankee cards |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: JimCrandell
Barry, |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: pas
Was it wrong to discuss Lionel Carter's collection? |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: barrysloate
Jim- it really doesn't matter how you or I feel. If they are fine with it so am I. But maybe they would not approve, or just feel uncomfortable having their name posted. |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: Jim VB
<<It looks over sized to me I am surprised it has not been trimmed down and put in a 7 holder.>> |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth
As to PAS' question... It seemed pretty good for Mastro. |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: Bobby Binder
Mastro made a nice statement there.. |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: JimCrandell
Barry, |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: Dave F
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: barrysloate
If I find out you bought a PSA 4 I'm going to tell everyone I know! |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: JimCrandell
Dave, |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: JimB
"But please please do not publicize it if I buy a PSA 4--I will be laughed out of town and kicked out of the HOF." |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: JimCrandell
That would go down as a 3 in the set registry and lower my average grade significantly--no thanks. |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: John
Since you’re keen on dropping their names Jim… |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: JimB
It may count as a 3 on the registry, but it would immediately bump up the significance of any collection. It is among the top five or six Wagners in the hobby. And to my knowledge, none of its competitors are moving any time soon. |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: JimCrandell
JimB, |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: T206Collector
...were worth a low grade Wagner, I'd make that trade in a heartbeat. I would be really sad to see my one-of-a-kind dual-signed T201 Doyle/Leifield go, but to own a Wagner would be worth it. I think anytime you can trade up -- multi cards for one jewel -- it is worth seriously considering. |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
The problem is you have to sell ALOT of cards to pay for even a low grade Wagner -- which appears to be worth between 2-300K. If you need that money from the sales to pay for the Wagner, it may take a while to free it up sale by sale by sale. |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: barrysloate
Jeff- I think the days of the 200K Wagner are behind us, seeing that a BVG 1 just surpassed 300K. |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: Peter_Spaeth
Assuming hypothetically I could have a broad based collection or one Wagner, I would MUCH rather have the broad based collection. Be it the holy grail or not, I just can't see foregoing the enjoyment of having a wide ranging collection for owning one single card. |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: Jim VB
Jeff, |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: Peter_Spaeth
what is the best estimate of the number of authentic wagners out there and of those, how many are slabbed? |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
I agree with Peter. Unless you're just buying the Wagner for investment purposes, if you have a choice of owning a Wagner or a wide range of great cards worth the same amount, I'd take the multiple cards anyday. |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: CoreyRS.hanus
Someone (about 20 years ago) who auctioned (at a major auction house) his low-grade Wagner (undoubtedly a 1) for about $17K, the winning bidder tried to renege, the seller hired an attorney who threatened legal redress, and the buyer (RELUCTANTLY I suppose) then honored his obligation. |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: barrysloate
Corey- that was my Wagner, in 1987. The card hammered for 18K and I don't think there was a BP. The day after the auction the winner called Phillips and told them he wasn't going to pay for the card. We sued him and he agreed to take it. It currently resides somewhere in a PSA 1 holder. |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: peter ullman
Barry...if you don't mind me asking...was it a consignment...or yours? If yours....when and where did you get it? |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: barrysloate
I bought it in 1986 for $8250. About a year or so later I decided to sell it, and consigned it to Phillips auction house. It was part of my collection but at the time it was simply too much money for me to have tied up. Its value doubled in the year I had it. Seemed great at the time...who would have ever guessed. |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: peter ullman
barry...thanks for sharing...great story...who'd a thunk it! |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: barrysloate
Peter- before I consigned the card I ran an ad in SCD. Maybe it was an eighth of a page. I offered it for sale outright, without a picture and with just a brief description, for $8500. |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: peter ullman
wow...what a difference an auction house makes! |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: CoreyRS.hanus
Barry. That was you?! Thanks for reminding me! Didn't that person also have a third Wagner, that diecut one? |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: Jeff S.
My only Wagner witnessed in person (besides the one in the Hall) was offered at a small CT auction house in the early 1990's. Part of a candy box find from an original owner - fresh to the market. I was in my early teens, and trying to pick up a few T206's for my collection (not Wags obviously). Bidding began at $5k and ended somewhere around $35k. I would say from memory it would have garnered a Poor grade - not a bad little investment regardless. I believe SGC's owner was one of the bidders, although not the winner. We spoke about that auction last year when I was at SGC. |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: Andrew S.
<The Dreier’s have an amazing PSA 4 Wagner from the SCP sale> |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: Jeff S.
If you look at JimB's provided scan of the Wagner PSA 5, you'll notice that the diamond cut reveals the top right border of the card printed below this one - more than likely a Wagner itself. Does that increase the price .01%? |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: John
"I didn't realize George had a T206 Wagner. Wouldn't a PSA-4 go higher than a miscut PSA-5?" |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: Mike
Does anyone know what happened to a new T206 Wagner discovered in Canada about 3 or 4 years ago? |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: Jon Canfield
I hope this is the appropriate place to post this but below is page 1 of 2 of Beckett Elite's "21 Faces of Wagner." I've been trying to figure out where the 2 beautiful Wagner's in the second row are from. Surely one of the two (the one on the left is my guess) is the Gretzky Wagner. What about the one on the right? Is it graded? Is so, what grade? (I also don't want to speculate as to whether it's short top to bottom). |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: barrysloate
The Wagner in the upper right, with the corner missing, is the one I sold in 1987. You can't miss it. |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: Steve Dawson
What about the second Wagner from the right on the bottom row? |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: Jantz
Is it just me or are two of the Wagners on page 2 the same one? Look at the example in the top row, far left corner. Now look at the example in the second row, third from the left, same page. Look identical to me. Notice the paper loss in the upper left corner & the dot in the lower left border. |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: MVSNYC
the first thing i noticed, is that the gretzky card is also pictured twice...there is a card in between the two |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: Jantz
Yeah, those two examples had me wondering also. |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: Jeff S.
I'd assume these were all shot over many years with different cameras for various purposes, explaining the variables in color/quality. That said, those two Wags mentioned above appear to be duplicated. Mastro had a collection of 11? assembled at the National I believe - are these are accounted for on those two pages? |
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T206 Wagner PSA 5 in Mastro Auction - Your Thoughts?
Posted By: Jon Canfield
Michael - you answered my original question then. So the Gretzky Wagner is pictured twice? I couldn't figure out how there were two Wagners that were so sharp! |
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