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Posted By: Steve
I do see the ink going across the border. |
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Posted By: E, Daniel
If you think it's a 10, crack it out and call it one. Just don't insist I have to believe it's gem mint or that anyone else should either. |
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Posted By: peter ullman
wow...nice analogy...kids...hold your ears? |
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Posted By: E, Daniel
Now thems some ear muffs. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Peter- do those breasts have a face? |
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Posted By: peter ullman
i'd assume so...unfortunately they're not mine. This is wikipedia's definition of cleavage...and it's a good one! |
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Posted By: Bob
I'm sure every dealer has told potential customers they can get better grades than they could--to attach any meaning to the comment is silly. Jim C.>> |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
I don't believe I get any special breaks...period. I tell people that want me to submit for them no as it will not make a difference. |
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Posted By: Fred C
Jim, |
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Posted By: marshall barkman
I apologize for the structure of my post to all. In response to Quan i submitted a 2001 Bowman Chrome rookie auto and when it got slabbed a 9 it brought over 4000 back in the day. In response to the clown from PSA or whoever he works for you can throw out the recieving goods theory at PSA and that get submitted without any name. Are you freaking serious that i am gonna buy that load of H O R S E S H I T? |
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Posted By: marshall barkman
Jim...bro you are clueless. I don't know what rock you crawled out from under but i do know 100% how the grading game is played. I sat at grading booths from 2002 to 2005 in between tournaments and watched all the moves go down between super high end dealers and the companies. I'm talking about 1000 to 100,000 dollar cards not nickel and dime cards. Do you have any idea what a huge break it is in certain cards to get a PSA 9 instead of a 8? Let's take a T-206 Eddie Plank for example. In a PSA 7 holder SMR on the card is 98,000 and in a PSA 8 holder it is 275,000 so do you understand the game now and the seriousness of money at stake when you submit a card? This is not shuffleboard in South Beach pal but the high ticket world of old and rare baseball cards. |
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Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Pro Scam Alliance... |
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Posted By: Anonymous
Fred, |
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Posted By: Scott Dango
are you shoelessjoejackson on ebay? |
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Posted By: marshall barkman
I am not shoeless joe jackson on e-bay. I do really wish i could post the cards but i cannot get the pics small enough to put them on here. I don't have to prove anything about the cards because if you know anything about American Beauties they were rough cut so most of the time i have seen 7 and 8's with a little fraying on the edge. Another thing about the beauties is that there is nothing on the back, no centering issues or ink dots because of the blank back. The cards were cello pack pulled so enough said. |
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Posted By: leon
If you send me scans I will post them for you.....take care |
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Posted By: John J. Grillo
Marshall, I too, would appreciate it if you would post the scans..it is really not that difficult to do, especially considering the argument being made here. |
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Posted By: Anonymous
"if you've picked PSA as your lover, then please just kindly accept she's got awful pretty skirts but can't f@%k worth a lick." |
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Posted By: leon
Boxingcardman....the only reason PSA is maybe giving you some fair grades now is because they are like NFL Ref's and now it is just a make up call. I think the point most folks are missing from the post is that these are cello pack pulled HELLLOOOO. In most old vintage cards there are slight bumps or dings in corners yet the corners remain sharp, also there could be slight color toning and ink runs which can make the difference between a card grading a 5 or a 7. |
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Posted By: Fred C
15 yard penalty, personal foul, roughing the grader... You know, if I were the ref, I'd just give you the game for that call... |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
The idea that just because cards are pulled directly from cello packs they should grade high is preposterous. |
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Posted By: dennis
anger management. why do business with the devil? |
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Posted By: Fred C
I agree with Al. It is a huge gamble to open old packs (cello or wax). You can open a brand new pack of cards from this year or a couple of years ago and there is no guarantee that the centering is perfect and that the ink isn't smudged in some way. I would venture to guess that most of the cards would be nice but there are always things that may not allow for a higher grade. |
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Posted By: marshall barkman
I cannot get the scans on the site or i would post the cards. To address the last two posts please tell me something i do not already know. Of course when you look at cello packs not all the cards are gonna come out clean and more likely than not the cards may be compressed together from time and damage is done from pulling them from one another. |
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Posted By: Fred C
Marshall, |
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Posted By: marshall barkman
Ok Fred...i am sending you the scans of some of the cards that a gentleman who i will not mention wanted to see because he was interested in a lesser grade set. Also there is a pic of the entire board with the cello packs attached that no one believe i had found except for one dealer who e-mailed me. Keep doubting what i say baseball card world because i am 1/9 at aquaduct to produce the goods. I think some of these cards are 9's and when my cards get back from Pro Scam Alliance i will post the rest of the pics. By the way Lay the 1 point because Arizona walks over the Falcons. Bring the noise and yes i love to @#$ing ROCK! |
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Posted By: Fred C
The pictures were all > 128K so he wasn't able to upload them via the "insert object" link. I reduced the file size to accommodate the 128K limit.
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Posted By: marshall barkman
Please understand that these cards were the only cards allowed to be produced in the year of 1944 and the government allowed Gum Inc to produce them only because of the thought the Beauties would give moral to the country and the GI's abroad. The cards were crudely cut just as T-206 baseball cards and i cannot tell you how many PSA 8's that i have seen that are much more off center than some of these with very rough edges which these do not have. The cards measure correctly and the corners are razor sharp. My scanner is not the best so there is a slight glare to some of the corners and to the total appearance of the cards. I showed the cards to two major players before sending them in and they wish to remain silent but having said that both are in shock at the atrocity of grading providing by Pro Scam Alliance. They also are not sending cards into PSA right now because of the auction house scandals possibly being tied into grade bumping and favortism towards large volume submitters. Go Cardinals lay the point. |
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Posted By: marshall barkman
Fred...thanks so much for your help. Greatly appreciated. |
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Posted By: David M
I bought the 3rd best set that Marshall sold over on the non-sport side. And even in the 3rd best, there are several cards that are at least 8's and could be bumped higher depending on the grader. Several of the cards I got were off center, or had some dings, but for the most part, all of these cards have razor sharp corners. If there weren't any 9's or 10's in what Marshall submitted in the two best sets, chances are they don't exist. These cards just don't exist in better condition. |
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Posted By: marshall barkman
I did not want to use your name David because i do respect privacy on all matters. By the way i will be sending you the board and cello packs as promised on Tuesday when i get home. The cards do exist in 9's and 10's and i have seen the cards in holders and they are no better than my cards. Trust me my cards were undergraded on purpose either to protect the #1 set on the PSA registry or because i am not a well known dealer or auction house. |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
American Beauties are awesome cards and I'm sorry they didn't grade out as high as you had hoped they would. |
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Posted By: marshall barkman
Well let's first start by saying that i gave Arizona as the bet of the day and they are bringing the noise. In regards to your comments Al you are misinformed or you did not get past high school. |
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Posted By: Joann
Hey Marshall B3? Could you do us all a favor and not accuse Al, who is a long-time member and contributor here besides being obviously intelligent, of not graduating from high-school? |
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Posted By: Cy
I am quite tired of this tirade. |
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Posted By: Steve
Well that was interesting. |
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Posted By: leon
First of all I would like to say that SGC is still my grader of choice right now. It's my auction company's grader of choice too. That being said I feel they grade too hard sometimes (maybe sour grapes?). The card I was having an issue with, concerning their grading, has been sold ....and it was for the grade above the technical grade...in value, which is what it should have been imo......I agree with the masses that if you don't like how a grading company grades you shouldn't use them. To complain a whole lot and still use that grading company seems somewhat disingenuous....though I do understand the registry = money-thing..... |
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Posted By: E, Daniel
When you meet a troll you just know it straight away. |
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Posted By: marshall barkman
I found the last couple of posts hilarious and here is my reply. My whole point in the post to begin with is that Pro Scam Alliance is plays favorites and that card grading as a whole needs to be cleaned up. In regards to the comment about the man's education it is just a jab so if you cannot stand the heat get off the board doll and head back to the minors. My response to Daniel is the guy probably listens to the Bee Gees and still has a comb in his back pocket, if i have no knowledge then how do i own these cards? Hmmmmm how can i buy collections without knowledge? Last but not least how did my cards blow out for 38 large at auction? The funny part is my best cards are just chillin in the vault and thank god i sent in the Beauties instead of some other cards but i am way to sharp a cat to get skinned by a bunch of kittens. Good day and remember to turn it up BRING THE NOISE. |
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Posted By: marshall barkman
Leon you are correct in your statement and what i should have said is that the whales in the game prefer PSA graded cards so they can compete in owning a registered card or registering it once they buy it. Case in point T-205 gold border Cy Young PSA 8.5-final auction price around 125,000. If the card were in any other holder it does not bring that price. |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Let me get this straight. |
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Posted By: marshall barkman
Al or should i say Al Bundy. The reason i made the remark about your not getting past high school is simple, you made several silly remarks that made no sense and it was obvious you did not even bother to read earlier posts. Second the last time i checked you do not own the board and i will talk and act however i please because this is not Russia is it Danny? Most of you old birds on here are way to dramatic and highly sensitive. I just produced some of the finest T-206's ever found and sent them to auction, in one case the card is actually the highest ever found in a certain Southern League player. I'm not whining about grades at all, my complaint is the system in which the cards are graded and the inconsistent manipulative grades that are given out due to who submits the cards. I call all the gals doll just like Ruth called everyone kid so lighten up and take a viagra and perhaps you may actually enjoy life instead of acting like John MCcain Jr. I don't need any lessons when it comes to cards and whoever you got your info from in regards to what my intentions were with the package is wrong so stop playing God. |
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Posted By: Anthony S.
unsubscribe. |
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Posted By: leon
Lessons in Diplomacy- $5ea or 3 for $10...... |
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Posted By: marshall barkman
I'm just playing around Al so don't things so personal. Man bro don't ever take up golf because the lads on tour would have you crying in seconds. If you look back at your original post their were several assumptions and negative statements along with subtle mental jabs hence my remarks. |
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Posted By: Mark Holt
Yawn |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
I'm enjoying this thread for it's EXTREMENESS TO THE MAXX!!!!!!!1 |
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Posted By: Todd Schultz
Al,this MB3 collector extraordinaire has posted here before-- he chimed in repeatedly about his 50 tintypes and the Billy Gilliam debacle of last August: |
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Posted By: quan
baseball card collecting as a whole is rather bland, i'm glad someone is thinking outside the box and bringing the EXTREME into the hobby. let's hope MB3 will make the same impact here as he's done in music and golf. |
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Posted By: jdrum
BRING THE NOISE! |
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