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I will reiterate.....when I originally acquired this card years ago, it was unique. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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....Sweet Caporal ...... Sovereign ......... Piedmont_____The "House" that created these Tobacco cards_____ Sovereign…. American Beauty .…. UZIT [/B]This thread will provide references to major contributions posted on Net54 these past 14 years that have formed a better understanding of "The Monster" [as Bill Heitman so aptly coined his T206 book (circa 1980)]. Let's start with the 2005-2006 publication of Scot Reader's Inside T206 An excellent, very informative, and well written book that inspired many of us Net54ers to post our experiences and theory's regarding the complexities of the T206 series. One of the early and very significant T206 threads was posted in June 2006 by Barry Arnold, titled T206 EPDG- - - how rare in your collection ? This thread sparked lots of brainstorming among Net54ers regarding T206's. It included surveys; and, various aspects of the T206 series were explored.....resulting in 363 meaningful posts. Furthermore, between many of us Net54ers, this thread was...."the beginning of a beautiful friendship" (to quote Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca). In the Summer of 2006, Bill Brown posted his T206 Super-Set (excel) spreadsheet. Bill received 1000's of inputs from Net54ers for this spreadsheet. It was a great start in the pursuit of what a T206 "master" set would be comprised of....T206 Super-Set Sept 2007, I started a thread titled Joe Doyle NAT'L and it's 11 "cousins"....SURVEY to explore certain PIEDMONT 350 cards that I considered as rare as the Joe Doyle "error" card. I eventually referred to these particular T206's as the Elite 11 Subsequent posts in this thread will expand on theory's regarding the structure of the T206 series and the front/back permutations that have resulted. A fair number of the theory's presented on Net54 (since 2006) have withstood the test of time. Providing accurate lists of which front/back combos were printed. And, which ones are No-Prints. So, stay tuned......many more T206 "oldies but goodies" References and Reflections will be posted here. And, feel free to contribute any meaningful T206 stories, or experiences collecting T206's that you have. __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ___________________________________ INDEX Post #1......Introduction....plus Scot Reader's " Inside T206 " book, and 3 significant T206 threads (circa..2006) for starters. Set your user settings to display 50 posts per Page. Then click on the topic of interest, then scan page for Post # noted. Post #2......The beginning of the six "Super-Prints" Post #4......SOVEREIGN phantom "350/460" series (apple green cards) Post #5......350/460 series backs identified Post #8......350/460 series mutually-exclusive cards Post #22.....T206 Plank mystery Post #25.....T206 DRUM's...."A-B-C-D" connection Post #26.....A-B-C-D connection expanded Post #28.....1910 COUPON (T213-1) sub-set Post #30.....Ty Cobb / Ty Cobb back Post #31.....T206 Checklists....plus 1910 COUPON, T215-1 and Ty Cobb/Ty Cobb Posts #33 & 34.....Richard Russell's unique T206 collection Posts #35 - 36 & 38.....Exclusive 12 group (460-only series) Post #39.....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 No Frame subjects = DRUM subjects Posts #44 & 48.....Collecting T206 sets....tell us your story's Post #54.....T206 all-PIEDMONT set Post #65......SOVEREIGN set story Post #69......SWEET CAPORAL, Factory #30 set story Posts #72 & 74......AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 adventure Posts #76 - 77......T206 cards RE-FRONTED (or re-backed)....FAKE's ! Post #93.....T206 "Proofs" Post #96.....UZIT checklist Post #97.....Spring of 1911....T206 era ends....the start of the "Golden era" begins Post #98.....ATC Factory's associated with the White-Bordered cards (1909 - 1911) Posts #101 & 106.....BROAD LEAF 460 checklist Post #107.....Hobby greats....Frank Nagy and Bill Heitman Post #108.....CAROLINA BRIGHTS checklist Post #124.....PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42 checklist Posts #128 - 131.....Why are Connie Mack, Jack Coombs, Shoeless Joe Jackson, Smoky Joe Wood missing in the T206 set ? Posts #134 & 138.....Timeline of the T206 POLAR BEAR cards Post #144.....T206 OLD MILL (Major League series) cards Post #146..... T206 OLD MILL Southern League cards Post #161.....Southern League cards (continued) Post #162.....T206 Southern Leaguers Brown OLD MILL cards Post #171.....The mysterious T206 brown LENOX cards Post #181.....SWEET CAPORAL 460, Factory #30 backs (w/o Factory #42 overprint) Post #190.....El Principe de Gales T206 cards Post #196.....SWEET CAPORAL 350-460, Factory #42 overprint cards Post #198.....Regional source of the Elite 11 cards Posts #201 >> 227.....Show-n-tell us of your favorite T206's Posts #231 >> 248.....Show-n-tell us of your T206 Run(s) Posts #263 >> 276.....T206 color printing errors......let's see some of these interesting T206's Posts #282 >> 294.....The mysterious nature of the Red HINDU cards Posts #302 >> 316.....Show-n-tell us of your MAGIE cards Posts #328 >> 333.....T206 150-only subjects...... Posts #334 >> 346.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206 Posts #353 >> 358.....PIEDMONT set structure & checklist Posts #360 >> 366.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206 Post #368.....Reminiscing about T206's in 2005 Post #378.....Remembering Jantz Morey Posts #379 >> 385.....T206 TRIVIA QUIZ....1st correct answer wins T206 Posts #386 >> 402.....T206 printed sheet structure Posts #405 >> 440.....Show us your BROAD LEAF 350 cards Posts #441 >> 450.....Comparable printing patterns of the T206's and T205's Posts #453 >> 467.....Guess the price of a near complete T206 set Posts #469 >> 470.....Guess the selling price of a COMPLETE SOVEREIGN set Posts #471 >> 474.....Guess selling price of a near complete PIEDMONT set Posts #476 >> 479.....Guess selling price of a complete SWEET CAP, F#30 set Posts #481 >> 515.....Show-n-Tell us of your T206 "finds" Posts #516 >> 536....."Bang the DRUM Slowly" while showing us your DRUM cards Posts #537 >> 551.....Guess how many Demmitt & O'Hara St Louis cards exist ? Posts #553 >> 554.....FYI: T206 rosters of the 16 Major League teams Posts #561 >> 570.....FYI: T206 rosters of the 16 Major League teams Posts #571 >> 572.....FYI: 350 Series Minor Leaguer's checklist and trivia Posts #573 >> 573.....T206 Southern League cards illustrated Posts #574 >> 579.....T206 "Monster" obsession ? ....Check-out this one ! Posts #580 >> 597.....Do the T215-1 cards belong in the T206 set ? Posts #598 >> 600.....Any guesses why no CHESTERFIELD or LUCKY STRIKE T-cards ? Posts #601 >> 603.....Any guesses why no CHESTERFIELD or LUCKY STRIKE T-cards ? Posts #605 >> 621.....the TOLSTOI story Posts #622 >> 623.....Meet me at Philly, we can Talk T206's Posts #624 >> 635.....CYCLE 460 checklist Posts #636 >> 650.....The "MONSTER" Master Set achievement Posts #651 >> 664.....The "MONSTER" Master Set achievement Posts #665 >> 669.....UPGRADING T206 cards Posts #671 >> 674.....And then, there are times to down-grade your T206's Posts #675 >> 692.....Black LENOX checklist Posts #693 >> 697.....Check-out Jamie B's multi-brand T206 card Posts #698 >> 700.....Revisting the mysterious Ty Cobb card with TY COBB back Posts #701 >> 713.....Reprising the Ty Cobb / TY COBB card debate Posts #714 >> 726.....CYCLE 350 checklist..... where have all the CYCLE 350 cards gone ? Posts #727 >> 741.....the enigmatic Lajoie (with bat)..... Post your inputs and/or cards Posts #742 >> 750.....The elusive ELITE 11....show them, if you have them Posts #751 >> 760.....The elusive ELITE 11....show them, if you have them Posts #761 >> 800.....How do you collect T206's: Graded or Ungraded ?...show us your cards Posts #801 >> 821.....How do you collect T206's: Graded or Ungraded ?...show us your cards Posts #824 >> 832.....Possible sources of the T206 Wagner cards Posts #833 >> 850.....T206 BLANK-BACKS...if you have them, post them here Posts #851 >> 853.....T206 BLANK-BACKS...if you have them, post them here Posts #854 >> 883.....What backs are your favorite(s), and do you collect runs of them ? Posts #884 >> 900.....Group of 36 subjects (350 Series) that are CB, EPDG, OM, PB NO-PRINTS Posts #901 >> 916.....Group of 36 subjects (350 Series) that are CB, EPDG, OM, PB NO-PRINTS Posts #917 >> 944.....MISSION (99%) ACCOMPLISHED American Beauty 460 run. Show your favorite run Posts #945 >> 950.....Red Ink "Twins" > HINDU and SWEET CAPORAL 350-460 Factory #42 cards Posts #951 >> 961.....Red Ink "Twins" > HINDU and SWEET CAPORAL 350-460 Factory #42 cards Posts #962 >> 984.....Possible sources of the T206 Wagner cards (Re-visited) Posts #985 >> 1000....... the "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card Posts #1001 >> 1002..... the "poor man's" T206 Joe Doyle "Nat'L" card Posts #1004 >> 1034.....Reminiscing about your 1st BB card Show where you acquired T206's Posts #1035 >> 1050.....Show T206's with same name on top or different player's name on top Posts #1051 >> 1066.....Show T206's with same name on top or different player's name on top Posts #1068 >> 1070.....Imagine the T206 guys come alive, great read about the 1904 season Posts #1071 >> 1086....."pet peeves" regarding certain T206's...and tell us of your's ? Posts #1087 >> 1100.....Unique Antique CAR(ds).....Show us your "One of a Kind" T206(s) Posts #1101 >> 1150.....Unique Antique CAR(ds).....Show us your "One of a Kind" T206(s) Posts #1151 >> 1152.....Unique Antique CAR(ds).....Show us your "One of a Kind" T206(s) In this thread, I've tried to present some very complex aspects of the Series structure of the T206 set in a style which is understandable to most of the T206 collectors. However, if not clear, don't be shy about asking questions. Post your questions on this thread. Or, email me directly with your questions.... tedzan11@comcast.net In either event, I will gladly do my best to provide you clear and meaningful answer(s). TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . Last edited by tedzan; 02-06-2021 at 05:54 PM. Reason: Updated INDEX. |
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Ron Two really great cards, thanks for posting them. I'll continue playing this game by posting a Blank Back and a Blank Front (caption). Unless some one proves otherwise, I think this Mullaney and No Name Ryan are unique..... . PIEDMONT 350 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . OLD MILL TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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Hey Jeff
Great....I was wondering about who ended up with this Schulte anomaly from David Hall's set. I refer to it as a printing anomaly, because I cannot classify it as an "Elite 11" subject until an El Principe de Gales card of this Schulte surfaces. Whatever....I'll match you....and, raise you one.... . . TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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Here is my favorite one of a kind T206 cards in my collection. There are several reasons why this McGraw
is my favorite unique card. And, this is the most significant one...... . . . . . . . As rare as the UZIT cards are, the most difficult ones to find are in the group I refer to as the Exclusive 12 in the 460-only Series. To date, only 5* of these 12 subjects have been discovered with the UZIT back. Crandall (cap) * Devore Duffy Ford Gandil Geyer * Hummel * McGraw (glove at hip) * Pfeffer Sheckard (glove) * Tannehill (Chicago) Wheat Furthermore (and it's been a 40-year search), only a single UZIT example of 4 of these five Exclusive 12 subjects has been confirmed. Geyer has 2 examples known. WOW ! ....is that scarcity, or what ? TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . Last edited by tedzan; 11-13-2020 at 08:21 PM. Reason: Corrected typo. |
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How about the "ONLY KNOWN" T206 that is a TRUE " NO NAME/NO TEAM/NO JERSEY LETTERING in EXISTENCE!
This did come out of a cigarette pack back in 1910. Came from a private Collection of over 250 T206 cards. Opened Piedmont tobacco packs and all were in the Collection. This card was the only anomaly! I have challenged others to prove me wrong with photos of other T206 cards that are similar. I haven't SEEN one yet! Here is another Chance! Show them Boys! |
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Thanks to Toby (bigfish), I completed this AMERICAN BEAUTY - BROAD LEAF - CYCLE - DRUM sub-set. I acquired this DRUM
card of Frank Delahanty from Toby back in 2007 at the Philly (Reading) Show. Delahanty is my favorite T206 Minor Leaguer. I haven't seen another Delahanty DRUM card since 2007. PSA pop report lists none, and the last time I looked, neither does SGC. Therefore, until some one reports he has one (or knows of one), I consider this Delahanty DRUM card unique. . TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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When I bought this Delahanty card from Toby at the Reading Philly Show it was in an SGC "A" holder. Cards which I acquire that are "keepers", I crack them out of their capsules and store them in high quality Mylar. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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Is there a T206 "proof cards" check-list....so, we can see if this Puttman card is unique (or not) ?
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This yellow-brown "scrap" of Doolan may be a one of a kind T206. I am posting it here to see if any one else has one.
Showing off the remainder of this Doolan run......this image is my favorite action pose. I need his BROAD LEAF 350 card to complete this run. Any help is greatly appreciated. . . Sweet Cap, Fact. #25 Furthermore, I would be remiss if I didn't include this "mega beauty" . TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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Mike Donlin yellow-brown "scrap"
"Turkey Mike" was quite a character. He was the "Talk of the Town" in New York City. Not only for his BB prowess, but also his vaudeville
performances (with his wife) on Broadway. Mike would have been a "contender" for the BB Hall of Fame with his career BA = .333 and a Slugging Avg. = .468 (higher than many stars in the Deadball Era), if he had just devoted more of his time to BB. Any given time when the TCM channel is featuring Silent Movies, there is a good chance you'll see Donlin in the cast. He was featured in 53 movies. The most notable ones being "The General" and "Slide Kelly Slide". Just a simple explanation why Mike Donlin is one of my favorite T206's. Especially, his batting pose in the white-bordered tobacco cards. Here is a partial run which I will be working on for quite some time to complete. My question to any of you is....is the yellow-brown "scrap" in my run a unique card ? I haven't seen another such Donlin; however, there are quite a number of T206 yellow-brown scraps in circulation in the hobby. I appreciate your response. . . PIEDMONT #42 . . . TED Z |
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Well, no new responses here, so I'll post another one of my possible "one of a kind" T206's.....this printing anomaly of Carl Lundgren.
In 1984, Barry Sloate introduced me to the "world" of rare T206 front/back combos, by selling me this Lundgren with the EPDG back. This was the beginning of an an obsession that continues with me till this day. I completed it's back run (only 3 cards needed). And, I have included the color-error (missing blue ink) of Lundgren, since I I think this card may be a unique T206. Perhaps another one may exist, so if you have one, please post it here. . TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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Always love seeing this thread. I’m not certain of this is 1/1, but it’s pretty cool IMO.
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Your Mike Donlin With Bat is the only one I've seen. I try to save all images of these Yellow/Brown scraps as they come along and get listed. GROUP "A" 29 Hand-Cut Yellow/Brown Color (Scrap - Not Issued) Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30 back (This Front/Back combo was never issued in tobacco products). I'm missing the following scans/images of the following Yellow/Brown Scraps. Any help with a scan or picture would be appreciated. FRANK HOME RUN BAKER (I have a scan but I don't believe it to be a Yellow/Brown) PATSY DOUGHERTY - ARM IN AIR RED KLEINOW - BOSTON - CATCHING NAP RUCKER - THROWING GROUP "B" 28 Hand-Cut Full Color (Scrap - Not Issued) Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30 back (This Front/Back combo was never issued in tobacco products). This 28 card set I personally own and can share scans of any of the 28 cards when requested. GROUP "C" or "Super Prints" 6 Hand-Cut Yellow/Brown Color (Scrap - Not Issued) Sweet Caporal 350-460 Factory 30 back (This Front/Back combo was issued in tobacco products, but only the full color non scrap version of the cards). I'm missing the following scans/images of the following Yellow/Brown Scraps. Any help with a scan or picture would be appreciated. HAL CHASE - BLACK CAP TY COBB - PORTRAIT RED Thank you in advance for the help that anyone can provide to my missing scans collection. I would really like to put together a complete Yellow/Brown Subset. It would go great with my 28 card "No Print" set. Because these sheets of cards were literally stacked side by side, waiting for their Factory Overprint to be added. The only difference was the "Group B" cards were ready for their overprint and then be cut into singles, but someone grabbed a few sheets before that happened and most likely brought them home for the kids to cut up and play with. The "Group A" Yellow/Brown scraps were likely taken straight from the trash can and brought home, maybe by the same person. We will never know. The 6 Super Print scraps are interesting but because that exact front/back combo was made and inserted into packs, they are missing that specialness I crave.
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I agree with that!! Of all the Matty poses in the T206 set, the Dark Cap is my least favorite. But it's just something kinda magical when it has a Blank Back attached to it. It puts my 3 (Polar Bear, Sovereign 460, and Tolstoi) to shame.
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I do not think there is a Dougherty, my theory it was swapped out with Ames....just a theory though
Here are the 34 I think make for the y/bs, I have scans of 33, missing Chase black cap.
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Hi ole buddy, I cannot agree with you regarding Dougherty, simply because all 35 of these guys were printed with a trio of correlated backs....BROAD LEAF 460, red HINDU, and SWEET CAPORAL 350-460 Factory #42. Just because he is missing in the collection of yellow-brown cards, does not mean he was not printed with this group of 35. You also have a missing Chase (dark cap), and we know he was printed. . TED Z . |
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Hey Ted, good to see you posting.
I have never seen an Ames Red Hindu or BL460, would love to see scans. My theory is that the group I listed was printed with Ames and then at one point printed with Dougherty in its place. Some backs were printed with both cards and some backs after the swap and do not include the Ames. just a theory
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Chris I understand your theory; however, why would ALC replace Dougherty with Ames ? Dougherty played for the White Sox 1906 - 1911. Ames pitched for the Giants from 1903 to 1913. I do NOT see any logical reason for American Lithographic (ALC) replacing Dougherty with Ames in their 1910 press runs. Ames is not the only subject that has yet to be found with red HINDU or BL 460 backs. Checkout this pattern....35 subjects in the 350/460 series that were printed with SWEET CAP Factory #42 were also printed with BL 460 and red HINDU backs. No other 350/460 series subjects conform to this pattern. Ames has been confirmed with the SWEET CAP Factory #42 back; therefore, he was also printed with BL 460 and red HINDU backs. I'll predict that Ames will be eventually found with the BL 460 and red HINDU backs. Before you care to take my bet on this happening, I'll remind you.....I'm batting 1.000 with such type of T206 predictions. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . Last edited by tedzan; 11-23-2020 at 11:50 AM. Reason: Corrected typo. |
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Chris While we are trading theories, "dig this one"......my theory is that these 35 subjects were on a sheet of multiples of a 36-card arrangement with the RED Cobb DOUBLE-PRINTED. Proof of this theory can be found in Pop Report data which indicates that the RED Cobb has approximately twice as many SWEET CAPORAL 350-460, Factory #42 counts than any of the other 34 subjects. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . Last edited by tedzan; 11-23-2020 at 11:42 AM. Reason: Corrected typo. |
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OK, continuing playing this game of "Unique Antique" cards, here's my 1910 COUPON Matty McIntyre.
This card is the only one listed in the PSA pop report. The last time I looked at the SGC pop report on these COUPON cards there were no Matty McIntyre's listed. Perhaps, Rob McK. will chime in, since he has a near complete set of these rare gems. . TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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Thank you for posting the numbers for readers to see the data. I am aware of these numbers which have been in my research for 2 1/2 years.
I update this PSA data in my records every week. As I said in Post # 1125, in this SWEET CAP 350-460, Factory #42 group of 35 subjects, apparently the Red Cobb was Double-Printed in order to form a 36-card arrangement. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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You are assuming that all 35 subjects were equally submitted for grading. THIS IS NOT SO ! And, I'm sure you know this. A large number of T206 collectors get their Cobb, Johnson, Matty, CYoung cards GRADED. However, many T206 collectors (like me) DO NOT bother to get their less valuable cards graded. There are many, many T206 sets (and stars and commons) that are NOT GRADED. Therefore, comparing Cobb (or Johnson, Matty, CYoung) with the remaining cards in this Group of 35 is inconsequential. My theory (presented approx 10 years ago), hypothesized that American Litho (ALC) divided the 63 subjects of the 350/460 series into two groups when ALC started printing the 460-type backs.......this theory has withstood the test of time. Group A comprises of these 35 subjects. Group B consists of the remaining 28 subjects in the 350/460 series. ALC printed sheets of T206's with basic formats of 12, 36, 48, etc. cards. Therefore with Group A having 35 subjects, ALC needed one more subject. The red Cobb is ATC's "signature T206" so it's a pretty good guess that the Red Cobb was Double-Printed this format. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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Nice card,Ted, here is the Matty McIntyre that I have. It's raw in a cardsaver. I see one graded on psa and one on sgc. a 1.5.
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Thanks, Rob I did not really think my Matty Mack was a one of a kind card. I have one (or two more) 1910 COUPON cards, which I suspect are not unique any more. When I acquired them years ago they were unique. Not listed in PSA or SGC pop reports. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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more than any of the others for grading and cracked out and resubmitted too. If he was printed twice as much as the others subjects his pop number should be far more than double any of the other subjects. The sales don't reflect him being double printed either this is a list of all of the card target sales raw and graded by all company's since 2008 for the 35 subjects with a SC350/460 factory 42 back. img942.jpg |
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Those cardtarget sales numbers are not an accurate reflection of the actual red Cobb transactions. I've been a collector for over 40 years, and a part-time dealer for almost 40 years. I have bought, sold, traded, and graded at least 24 red Cobb's during that time. And, that's just me..... a small time-dealer. Furthermore, currently in my T206 collection are 7 red Cobb's (different backs). Plus, in recent years I have sold 4 red Cobb's with SWEET CAP 350-460, Factory #42 backs. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . Last edited by tedzan; 11-30-2020 at 08:15 PM. Reason: Added information. |
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house and ebay sales. It recorded the sale of the McIntyre you posted when it sold earlier this year. McIntyre T213.jpg Last edited by Pat R; 12-01-2020 at 08:33 AM. |
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Pat THANK YOU.... for agreeing with me regarding cardtarget does NOT account for all sales. There are many private sales (at Shows, Net54 BST, etc., etc.) that they are unaware of. TED Z . |
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sales. Without specifying a back a search of a red Cobb provides 2,428 past sales. Many specific cards eventually end up on there I don't know when you sold or traded the McIntyre t213 but that ended up on there. |
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Here's an odd one with pretty colors....
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I have 4 of these missing color. I like this one the best.
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Thanks for posting your Matty Mack....cool card. Are the other three that you have also from the 350-only series ? And, who are the other three ? TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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I believe they are. I will confirm this afternoon, with names.
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They are all 350 series: Rhoades Hands at Chest Warhop Cassidy Love the missing color aspect.
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Adam Awesome ! Well, that leaves us with a possibility of as many as 186 other such T206's from the 350-only series. It never ceases to amaze me how this T206 set continues to mystify us. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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of 35. http://www.t206resource.com/Blank-Back-Checklist.html |
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Approximately 10 years ago, I acquired this 1910 COUPON Rossman from Jim Rivera (who was set-up with me at my booth at the Valley Forge Philly Show).
Claude Rossman is one of the tougher cards in the T206 set. Having retired from BB on Sept 3, 1909, American Litho. discontinued printing his cards during their 350-only series press runs. With respect to this 1910 COUPON card, PSA pop report data indicates only one (Graded a "2"). This specific listing may be the same Rossman card that was mine (since I sold mine 4 years ago). Perhaps, Rob McKenzie will chime in here, since his 1910 COUPON set is about 98% complete, and most likely has a Rossman. . TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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Ted, I have a PSA 2 Rossman, you may have traded it to me, but it would have been a number of years ago and I have a poor memory. I know Rossman was still on my wantlist when I was down to about 12 cards about 10 years ago.
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Hi Rob I traded (or sold) you some 1910 COUPON cards in the past, but not Rossman. It looks like you may have the Rossman listed in the PSA pop report. I haven't checked out the SGC pop report recently, last time I did there were no Rossman cards listed. Therefore, it appears that your Rossman and the one I had are the only 2 that are known. TED Z T206 Reference . |
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T213-1 Rossman's are difficult to find for sure. SGC updated their pop reports recently, and they show one Rossman, graded SGC 1. There is also a T213-1 Rossman in the Burdick Collection at the MET. I learned just recently that he donated a complete set of T213-1's to the museum.
www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/417940
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Besides you and Jefferson Burdick, and it is my understanding that one more collector are the only ones which have completed the 1910 COUPON set. Burdick probably completed his set back in the 1930's - 1940's. It would have been much more easier to do so back then. I have to commend you for having 67 (of the 68) cards in this set. It certainly is not easy assembling this set 110 years after these cards were issued. Here's my favorite 1910 COUPON subject...... Ted Breitenstein (St Louis Browns) pitched a "Perfect" game No-Hitter in his very 1st start in 1891. Ted faced exactly 27 batters. Actually, he did Walk a guy, but a Double-Play followed. Furthermore, at the end of his Major League career (1898), Ted pitched another No-Hitter. TED Z T206 REFERENCE....convenient access to T206 checklists . |
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Thanks, Ted. I think the Fritsch family had or has a set, and a few board members are working on it, or may have completed it raw. I still need to look for Hindu backs so I can make a CHOP back run or two. Here is a T206 Cycle 350 Rhoades that I have. It sort of looks like a Coupon if I look at the back without my glasses. I'm not sure what my favorite subject is, I will think on it.
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