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Soaking a card?
Posted By: John
Well said Todd. |
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Soaking a card?
Posted By: Peter_Spaeth
What would someone have to GAIN by disclosing it? Nothing. Plus if someone disclosed they had done something like soaking, even if the market generally considered it acceptable, then people probably would conclude that seller was doing everything else under the sun too. So the mere fact that it isn't disclosed doesn't prove to me it would result in a lower price. |
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Soaking a card?
Posted By: T206Collector
"I would not bid on it in cases 3 and 4 and it sounds like at least 30-40% would not either. Even those who think that card doctoring is fine I bet most would not bid as much." |
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Soaking a card?
Posted By: Josh K.
John, |
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Posted By: John
Makes sense Peter, but why wouldn’t they conclude that can you blame them? If the seller is adept enough at taking glued cards and passing them as high graded examples for monetary gain. Why am I to believe that the doctoring stops there, why not remove a crease, trim a border etc? They all have the same end result. A card that was worth much less being worth much, much more! |
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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth
Suppose I had a card (maybe this would only happen on a new shiny one, dunno) that was really stuck to the surface of a screwdown and it would take some significant intervention to separate it, although it could be done without damage. John under one interpretation of your "you have to take it as you find it" position I could not even do that. And if you are OK with removing it from the screwdown (I am just making this up, but hypothetically by using steam or something), why analytically is that different from removing a card from a scrapbook while retaining the integrity of the surface. (Yeah, it must be get a life day lol). |
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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth
John I think we are in agreement here except as to the issue of scrapbook removal, and also perhaps our views on how the market as a whole would react to certain disclosures. But I agree with you that taking out creases, erasing pencil and ink marks, and anything more serious should not be done, whether or not it is detectable. |
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Posted By: Bob
Speaking of dried food, I have a gorgeous E90-1 Young Boston with brilliant red front which had a tiny bit of candy (caramel) stuck on the front near the bottom. 10 years ago not knowing any better, I picked at it with my thumbnail and away came part of it with a tiny bit of red background. GRRRRRR.I sent it in to SGC and my 80 looking (otherwise) card came back a 30 with a tiny fragment of caramel still stuck to it. Nicest Young I have ever seen other than "the food." |
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Soaking a card?
Posted By: Jim Crandell
Paul, |
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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth
I agree with Jim that detectable or not should not and really cannot be the test, because that leads you down a real slippery slope ending (maybe) at trimming and regraining which might be undetectable at least without an FBI investigation. It comes down, to me anyhow, to what you think is acceptable in the first place. |
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Soaking a card?
Posted By: John
Josh, |
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Posted By: steve f
err, John?.. Those weren't ladies. |
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Posted By: John
Ahhh man really! Ouch thats the last time I take internet links from Jay B! |
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Soaking a card?
Posted By: T206Collector
"if you or another expert could come in and say this had a crease pressed out or this other one was soaked and trimmed and this was soaked to get rid of the glue" |
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Soaking a card?
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
There are naked ladies on the web?! |
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Soaking a card?
Posted By: Gilbert Maines
There are naked ladies everywhere and when appropriate, I prefer viewing them with their creases removed, other recoloring and doctoring - so long as the alteration is undetectable. |
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Posted By: Todd Schultz
"There are naked ladies everywhere and when appropriate, I prefer viewing them with their creases removed, other recoloring and doctoring - so long as the alteration is undetectable." |
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Soaking a card?
Posted By: martindl
Paul, |
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines
No, a valid analogy would be a robbery that no one could tell that something was taken. |
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Soaking a card?
Posted By: Gilbert Maines
A shiny silver coin sometimes takes on a very attractive patina when exposed to the right envoronmental conditions. If you found out that the conditions were just right to accomplish this, and thereby double the coins value by leaving it on the old willow stump out past the shed for a day, would you do it? |
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