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Posted By: JimB
I like the NYT and agree that it is an outstanding paper, though the Sports section sucks. However, for my money, I would take the LA Times in a second. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
The problem with the NY Times sports section is we never get the west coast games, because they end too late to make the deadline. In LA, all the results are in at press time. Big advantage. |
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Posted By: Max Weder
Barry |
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Posted By: Cat
I thought the other guy was suppose to have the hood on? |
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Posted By: AP
Peter, |
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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth
Andrew there is a big difference as you surely know between describing the views of a handful (admittedly perhaps a big handful but still a very small minority) of Muslim extremists and describing Muslims in general. Your prior post despite its footnote was much broader --"they" enjoy killing each other etc. etc. By the same logic you could ascribe to all Jews the views of a few militant extremists. |
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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth
By the way there is some pretty good stuff in the Old Testament not just the Koran about smiting infidels -- check out parts of Ezekiel for example. Or Exodus for that matter. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Samuel Jackson quoted Ezekiel 25:17 in "Pulp Fiction" and the passage is in fact filled with violent metaphors. |
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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth
And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
"And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the Lord, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them"...one tough dude that Ezekiel |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Yes, but no one is walking around with the Old Testament these days instructing citizens that if they don't pray 5 times a day they'll have their heads cut off. |
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Posted By: davidcyclback
I don't know why folks malign France. As a country with much experience in the Middle |
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Posted By: David Smith
Any one have any "Freedom Fries"? |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
David, I think Syria also officially stated that it would be a mistake to invade Iraq. |
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Posted By: SoxFan
I have to say that I agree with my buddy "The Guy From Boston" |
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Posted By: Darren
9/11 may we never forget. |
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Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth
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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth
You are failing to consider all the costs saved by virtue of preventing Saddam from waging war on us with all his WMDs. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I guess in the circles some travel in, the French are "adored"......but, most Americans have a different |
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Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth
You are current Peter. I failed to overlook the fact that the US was months away from having groups of 35 Iraqi adults charging up a hill and hurling missiles at our country. We narrowly averted millions of deaths on our soil. Long live Halliburton!!!! |
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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth
That's a great analogy. Give me a break. |
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Posted By: Cobby33
Now maybe we can focus on the myriad of problems we have on our own soil. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
I agree. Like how to prevent 9/11 again. Or the Egyptian murder of an El Al ticket agent in July of 02. Or the Muslim attack at the Seattle Jewish Center. Or the Muslim attack at UNC-Chapel Hill. Or the Muslim attack....(repeat). |
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Posted By: E, Daniel
I'm always astounded that you never hear people in the news or in society really stop to think about the human, not monetary, cost of wars - in particular the one we wage currently in Iraq. And it sure a sh@# still is war, ask any soldier over there. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Daniel, you are so right. Wars really need to be fought in a proportional sense. You should really run for president. You can run on the platform of elimiating pregame prayer circles because that seems to have convinced the Islamic facists running around cutting off heads of women who dare to learn to read that their behavior is just the same as their athletic, American counterparts. |
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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth
I think Daniel was merely making the sound point that people underestimate the enormous human impact of the war on the Iraqi people. |
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Posted By: paulstratton
Of course that's only 1.9 million fewer than Saddam killed himself. |
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Posted By: Miguel Danielson
I agree with the person who said that these threads tend to be redundant and usually do not involve much new material -- people here tend to believe today what they believed yesterday (at least with regard to Iraq). |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Hey Ted- I read the NY Times every day and all those stories were there. They aren't missing anything- they reported all these covert deals you were talking about. Are they just a bad paper because their readership are people like me- those dreaded liberals? (you know I am just busting your chops). |
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Posted By: Brian
NY Time=Pravda |
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Posted By: Cat
These political debates always piss me off and I normally try not to interject any of my own thoughts. I believe that most people who speak up, especially in the media, are pushing some sort of agenda and can’t even remotely be objective. |
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Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth
Well thought through Daniel. I was merely trying to give the dollars and cents of the war. I did not touch on the human cost factor as that is clearly something that the board's war advocates might not understand. Since this is not on our soil, with bombs and gunfire going off and body parts strewn in our streets next to our morning papers, many are simply unable to comprehend from the comfort of their surroundings what it is really like. How many of those who are for this war have family or children fighting in Iraq? How many of you would go if asked to fight? |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Thanks Brian, that was eloquently stated. |
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Posted By: Cobby33
Does anybody really think that any government can put a stop to what has been going on in that area of the world for THOUSANDS of years? Some humility please, or, an acknowledgement that outside nations are not there for "humanitarian" purposes, but rather purely for financial gain? |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Actually Greg, I think Bush has botched the war horribly. I also think, in hindsight, the war against Iraq was a mistake -- there are worthier countries that support terrorism against the US which should have been attacked, Syria and Iran the two that come to mind. I have also never voted for a Republican my entire life in a single election. That being said, I believe that Bush's head is/was in the right place and the war against terrorism needs to be taken to the terrorists instead of waging a defensive war. I, for one, believe that Bush has not been nearly aggressive enough in Iraq in order to complete what now needs to be done. Bottom line: the war may have been a mistake but now that we're in it we need to accomplish what needs to be accomplished. |
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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth
Jeff: what is it exactly that you think needs to be accomplished? |
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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth
I partly agree and partly disagree with Cobby. I think Bush is genuine if misguided in his beliefs and is not acting simply because of oil or to create money-making opportunities for American corporations, but at the same time think it is sheer folly, and incredibly hubristic, to believe that the US through military force or otherwise can create a Western-style democracy in Iraq or can control sectarian (or anti-US) violence. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
What many in Washington DC and many who have posted on this thread fail to realize, that since the |
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Posted By: Anonymous
Ted -- sectarian violence means violence of one religious sect against another. That's what it is and that is what the press calls it. And who the hell has been calling Al Qaeda freedom fighters rather than terrorists? |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Ted- It's a fair point that we may be in the early throes of a 21st century WWIII. As far as religious vs. sectarian, that is just a semantic difference. Both share one thing in common- complete intolerance for anyone else's way of life, religion, or philosophy...sort of like Net54 in a way |
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Posted By: Ryan Christoff
Zell is right, WWIII is upon us and the NY Times = Pravda. Any other absurd exaggerations, I mean words of wisdom, for us? |
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Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth
Jeff, |
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Posted By: Bob
Andrew- I am not sure how old you are and how old you were between 1967 and 1972 but if I changed a few names in your post to Ho Chi Minh and Mao Tse Tung and a few group names to Viet Cong and NLF I would have sworn I had just read a defense of the Viet Nam war. |
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Posted By: E, Daniel
That was a terrifically written and thoughtful post. I hope it receives some of the honest responses it deserves. |
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Posted By: Peter_Spaeth
He who does not learn from history is condemned to repeat its mistakes. |
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Posted By: JimB
Miguel, |
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Posted By: AP
Where do some of guys get your information? |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Very well presented.....you beat me to what I was going to say so I'll condense it in my next post. |
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Posted By: Brett
tbob, |
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Posted By: Brian
Question: you guys that justify and rationalize the war in Iraq--do you also believe Vietnam was justified in any way, shape or form? |
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