Paul Skenes Superfractor Ends in Goldin

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Centauri

Wander became worthless, but not because of his production in the majors - the hype was proven well founded there. Dude was elite.

I know it's two different markets but I think pre-war is much safer, we already know what Ty Cobb did on the field, we already know that Hal Chase and Cap Anson were shitheads.

With modern you never know if someone is getting injured or catching charges, I guess thats the gamble though.

Personally, I feel much safer buying a 1914 CJ Jackson for the same price as a guy who played 4 games but that's just me.

[BioCRN]

Is there anyone that thinks this card was purchased by a Paul Skenes super fan?

It's gambling...I mean, prospecting. Yeah, prospecting.

In other areas beyond the crazy price for a high-end super-prospect there's lesser Superfractor "prospectors" paying thousands of dollars for guys that only have a sliver of Skenes's talent hoping they can flip it during a hot point in their career.

Someone paid $1000 for a Edouard Julien RC Superfractor (PSA 10) 2 weeks ago. He's a defensive average-at-best 25 year old 2nd baseman slashing .245/.358/.428 in 602 PA over 2 seasons...and doing worse this season compared to last year.

The buy-in is much bigger, but I like the chances for the Skenes investor over guys chasing talent like Julien.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

I know it's two different markets but I think pre-war is much safer, we already know what Ty Cobb did on the field, we already know that Hal Chase and Cap Anson were shitheads.



With modern you never know if someone is getting injured or catching charges, I guess thats the gamble though.



Personally, I feel much safer buying a 1914 CJ Jackson for the same price as a guy who played 4 games but that's just me.

Obviously, there's additional risk when you need to project a player's career, rather than waiting until they've retired. And sure, a lot of people seem to over-estimate what will happen, driving up prices a bit.

But when I see right here in the BST section that you need to pay $6,000 for a 1-of-1 card of Herbie Moran, an outfielder who ended with 2 career home runs (and it's not even autographed), $80k for Skenes doesn't seem so bad.

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[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

Obviously, there's additional risk when you need to project a player's career, rather than waiting until they've retired. And sure, a lot of people seem to over-estimate what will happen, driving up prices a bit.

But when I see right here in the BST section that you need to pay $6,000 for a 1-of-1 card of Herbie Moran, an outfielder who ended with 2 career home runs (and it's not even autographed), $80k for Skenes doesn't seem so bad.

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Yea, that's just crazy in my opinion when you can buy a 1907 Dietsche Cobb for the same amount, but to each their own.

[packs]

I think we should recognize that there are equally as nutty valuations in pre-war. I'm sure a modern collector will have just as big laugh on a guy who spends a few thousand bucks on a Louis Lowdermilk T207. He of his 4 and 5 career record.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by packs

I think we should recognize that there are equally as nutty valuations in pre-war. I'm sure a modern collector will have just as big laugh on a guy who spends a few thousand bucks on a Louis Lowdermilk T207. He of his 4 and 5 career record.

Don’t forget the huge price difference depending on what cigarette brand happens to be on the back of a card.

[packs]

Or the other esoteric value indicators like a dog being pictured on an Art Whitney Old Judge. Always going to cost you a few hundred dollars more to own that dog.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by packs

Or the other esoteric value indicators like a dog being pictured on an Art Whitney Old Judge. Always going to cost you a few hundred dollars more to own that dog.

Or "Magie" vs. "Magee"

[packs]

Or Bill O’Hara in a Cardinals uniform. He had 88 career hits and will cost you more than a few HOFers will combined. All for those 9 games he played for the Cards.

[G1911]

The big difference with these examples is a Magie or a Lowdermilk or even an Old Judge dog is likely to keep value or gain in 5-10 years. This is more likely to be an expensive coaster in ten years than hold value, with a tiny percentage shot at a payday.

It is pretty silly we pay serious money for cardboard pictures of men.

[packs]

I don't disagree but everything is relative to collector tastes. Will people still make runs at the T207 set and pay up for Lowdermilk? I don't know. It's semi-popular with collectors of a certain time, but what about the future? Will there still be the same set building mentality?

There definitely isn't a set building mentality in the modern collector.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by G1911

The big difference with these examples is a Magie or a Lowdermilk or even an Old Judge dog is likely to keep value or gain in 5-10 years. This is more likely to be an expensive coaster in ten years than hold value, with a tiny percentage shot at a payday.

It is pretty silly we pay serious money for cardboard pictures of men.

Or shiny pieces of certain metals, or certain pretty rocks, or the residue an oyster uses to surround a grain of sand.

Or wood sticks men used to strike balls, or the garments they wore when they did so....

It's all relative I guess.

[BeanTown]

Or how Cap Anson is dressed on his OJ card.

[Yoda]

[QUOTE=packs;2440652]Or the other esoteric value indicators like a dog being pictured on an Art Whitney Old Judge. Always going to cost you a few hundred dollars more to own that dog.[/

Likewise the mascot on the OJ Ewing and mascot. Surely the mascot should receive more of a premium than the dog, unless the pooch happens to be Lassie.

[Mark17]

[QUOTE=Yoda;2440685]

Originally Posted by packs

Or the other esoteric value indicators like a dog being pictured on an Art Whitney Old Judge. Always going to cost you a few hundred dollars more to own that dog.[/

Likewise the mascot on the OJ Ewing and mascot. Surely the mascot should receive more of a premium than the dog, unless the pooch happens to be Lassie.

Think of the marginal dollars that have traded hands due to John Titus' facial hair.

[Carter08]

Injury risk is obviously very real but he looked dominant yet again. Won a national championship, first overall pick, and he’s dating one of the most popular social media stars of all time. Pretty high ceiling.

[Leon]

[QUOTE=Mark17;2440694]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Think of the marginal dollars that have traded hands due to John Titus' facial hair.

LOL...mustaches are in high demand on T206s....

[HistoricNewspapers]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Look at some clips and would be curious your take on his mechanics.

Skenes mechanics are fine. It is just simply going to come down to pure luck if his body has the ability to withstand that amount of torque on his arm for an extended period of time. Some guys last and some don't.

Did Schilling pointing out any specific flaws, or just that he will get injured at some point because he throws so hard. Isn't that kind of like the broken clock being correct twice a day?

[packs]

He looks like he's throwing easy gas to me. I don't see the stress or max effort like I do with power relief pitchers.

[babraham]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Think of the marginal dollars that have traded hands due to John Titus' facial hair.

Ha!

[Snowman]

Skenes received a standing ovation last week on the road in St Louis after they pulled him in the 6th inning.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Skenes received a standing ovation last week on the road in St Louis after they pulled him in the 6th inning.

Hope somehow he doesn’t follow so many others …… Syndergaard, Strasburg, DeGrom, Harvey, Wood. Seems hard to believe he won’t succumb to some major issue.