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Irrational Exuberance Low Number High Grade 1933 Goudeys
Posted By: Dean H
If my memory serves correct I think Global tried that early on. They would put a holographic sticker with their grade on the back of a card that was already slabbed. I don't know if that is what happened with the Lajoie but just sharing what I remembered. |
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Irrational Exuberance Low Number High Grade 1933 Goudeys
Posted By: JimCrandell
Rand, |
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Irrational Exuberance Low Number High Grade 1933 Goudeys
Posted By: Charlie Barokas
Jim, |
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Irrational Exuberance Low Number High Grade 1933 Goudeys
Posted By: JimCrandell
Charlie, |
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Irrational Exuberance Low Number High Grade 1933 Goudeys
Posted By: pas
I think someone could spot obvious alterations without removing a card from a slab, but I am not sure anyone could express a definitive opinion that a card was NOT altered without examining the edges outside a holder. If Kevin or others disagree I would be interested. |
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Irrational Exuberance Low Number High Grade 1933 Goudeys
Posted By: Charlie Barokas
Jim, |
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Posted By: Steve Murray
And therein lies the beauty of a free enterprise system. The parties are free to negotiate terms to their mutual satisfaction. |
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Posted By: peter chao
I agree with you, also I think the grading cos. use cheap plastic. The card looks good but the plastic is merely translucent and not clear. Furthermore, the plastic scratches, after a while you start wondering whether the scratch is on the cardholder or the card. |
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Posted By: pas
Novus Plastic Polish No. 2 does wonders for anything but the deepest scratches. |
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Irrational Exuberance Low Number High Grade 1933 Goudeys
Posted By: JimCrandell
Charlie, |
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Irrational Exuberance Low Number High Grade 1933 Goudeys
Posted By: Kevin Saucier
"I had visions of a slab within a slab LOL." |
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Posted By: peter chao
Let's say there was an amazing grader or grading company that you trusted, would you be willing to allow them to regrade the cards you bought 10 years ago? |
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Irrational Exuberance Low Number High Grade 1933 Goudeys
Posted By: pas
I guess we have had this discussion before but I don't see why "10 year old" cards are any more suspect than cards being graded today. |
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Irrational Exuberance Low Number High Grade 1933 Goudeys
Posted By: Charlie Barokas
Jim, |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Charlie, |
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Posted By: pas
I think Charlie's point is that this is an art not a science, and that beyond the obvious cases it is a matter of opinion. Thus, it seems rational (at least to an observer) that the opinion that should matter most is that of PSA. |
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Irrational Exuberance Low Number High Grade 1933 Goudeys
Posted By: peter chao
Jim, |
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Irrational Exuberance Low Number High Grade 1933 Goudeys
Posted By: Charlie Barokas
Peter, |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Have we exhausted this topic yet? |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Isn't Jim's position that he doesn't want to cost himself money by having his entire collection reviewed, but, at least going forward, does not want to spend large bucks on altered/slabbed cards? Why do these two concepts have to be mutually exclusive? |
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Posted By: Kevin Saucier
"I think Charlie's point is that this is an art not a science, and that beyond the obvious cases it is a matter of opinion." |
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Posted By: Alan Elefson
They are not mutually exclusive as Jim is asking auctioneers to stand behind every card they are consigned while he refuses to let his own collection be inspected in a similar manner. |
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Posted By: PS
Only Jim can decide what makes sense to him, and this is just a general observation, but I think many of us would view the position articulated by Jeff as inconsistent. If it makes a difference to you whether or not your cards are altered despite being slabbed, you can't just grandfather all the cards you already have. |
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Irrational Exuberance Low Number High Grade 1933 Goudeys
Posted By: Matt
Peter - while it might make a difference to you, that doesn't mean you're going to undertake the job of having it done; after all, you own them already; you're can't un-buy them. |
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Irrational Exuberance Low Number High Grade 1933 Goudeys
Posted By: PS
Matt but you can sell them. My point is if it is of such paramount importance not to own altered cards, and one thinks one needs opinions beyond those of the grading services to ensure that, then logically it seems to me one would examine cards one already owns as well as new ones or at least cards over a certain value. Just an opinion on a subject where there is no right answer. |
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Posted By: Matt
Peter - I agree it makes sense for one to do it, but since there is a time and financial investment needed to make it happen, and you already own them, it might not get done. Now, if you were selling them, then I agree; but just to keep, I don't see anything hypocritical about it. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Matt, that's my point: Jim has like 20,000 slabs -- what is he supposed to do? Spend all that time and money and have them regraded? Can't he just decide going forward to be much, much more careful with how he spends his money? |
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Posted By: Larry
I keep hearing about how grading companies are stricter now than they were 10 or 15 years ago, but the majority of cards I see in old holders are more harshly graded. A card resting in a PSA-7 slab from 1995 would in most cases rate PSA-8 now. Nowhere is this more obvious than with pre-war cards when you line the slabs up side-by-side and compare card edge and corner wear. |
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Posted By: peter chao
Larry, |
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Irrational Exuberance Low Number High Grade 1933 Goudeys
Posted By: JimCrandell
Jeff, |
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Posted By: PS
Jim I personally do not care at all whether you resubmit your cards or not, so as you say, please do not ascribe emotions to me. I do think, however, since you raised the subject of getting second opinions on new purchases, it is a fair discussion to ask about how your views on the necessity of second opinions applies to your existing collection. The question also goes beyond your personal collection and may be of interest to others facing similar issues although on a smaller scale. Perhaps you have stated your views on this before but if you did I missed them, so I was genuinely interested. That's all. |
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Posted By: leon
I don't see any of the gentlemen you mentioned talk so incessantly about altering and cleaning up the hobby therefore they are held to a different standard, imo, than someone like yourself who is "leading" the charge .....but from the rear. I will always feel that your mesmerization with the whole issue is due to the number of high grade cards in your collection that you feel are probably tainted. Please don't consider this a personal attack as it's not and I am sure you will aggressively deny my opinion...it's ok......regards |
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Posted By: Lawrence
Jim C- |
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Posted By: John
Still waiting to hear what amazing cards Kevin has so skillfully passed by folks (SGC, PSA, GAI etc.) as Jim eluded too, or has this wives tale yet to be addressed? Kevin you should have no problems showing us some pictures or telling us some stories either…after all as you openly stated below. |
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Posted By: Kevin Saucier
I have no problem showing my various alterations that have been graded but as typical I find your arrogance and demeaning tone insulting to say the least. |
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Irrational Exuberance Low Number High Grade 1933 Goudeys
Posted By: JimCrandell
Kevin, |
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Irrational Exuberance Low Number High Grade 1933 Goudeys
Posted By: Lawrence
Jim C- |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Thanks Lawrence--good luck. |
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Irrational Exuberance Low Number High Grade 1933 Goudeys
Posted By: John
Kevin, |
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Irrational Exuberance Low Number High Grade 1933 Goudeys
Posted By: John
Jim, |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
What did I tell you!!!--my prediction came exactly true. I love it. Only this time he attacked you too Kevin. Lets see Kevin, you basement experimenter you, when did either one of us claim you were better than SGC or PSA. Only in the Wonka world can you offer yourself selflessly to help the hobby and get ridiculed for it. |
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Irrational Exuberance Low Number High Grade 1933 Goudeys
Posted By: peter chao
Guys, |
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Posted By: Wesley
John is right. There are a lot of guys who mess around with card and paper experiments in their basements. Some of them do this for fun (like Kevin) and others do it to slip by grading companies for profit. What makes Kevin more knowledgeable than the other guys who get cards past the graders? Because he makes a few posts on message boards? Nothing personal against Kevin because he seems like a very nice guy (Hi Kevin) but to think his opinion carries more weight than established grading companies or auction houses is ridiculous. |
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Irrational Exuberance Low Number High Grade 1933 Goudeys
Posted By: JimCrandell
Wesley, |
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Posted By: Wesley
Jim, Kevin has never reviewed any of your cards. You have never seen Kevin's work. How do you know of his expertise? |
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Irrational Exuberance Low Number High Grade 1933 Goudeys
Posted By: peter chao
Wes, |
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Irrational Exuberance Low Number High Grade 1933 Goudeys
Posted By: Wesley
Peter C, |
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Irrational Exuberance Low Number High Grade 1933 Goudeys
Posted By: barrysloate
As Wes said you can be sure there are plenty of people out there who make a handsome living from their basement experiments. And loads of these cards have gotten past the graders. |
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Irrational Exuberance Low Number High Grade 1933 Goudeys
Posted By: JimCrandell
Yup--Peter is better than 9 of 12 of psa graders. Hard for me to say anything else here. Peter--maybe I should have you look at my cards instead of Kevin |
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Irrational Exuberance Low Number High Grade 1933 Goudeys
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Who is the best grader in the hobby? |
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