Absolutely deplorable actions by a fellow forum member!

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

My take is he was playing the board to try to get an UZIT at a discount. That's my take on it.

Jamie, you really should have known better...

This is exactly how it reads to me as well...the clincher was when he told Jon C that he'd take $1400 for it. He seemed to be playing potential buyers against one another on a card that he could not guarantee he would win. Imagine if he'd gotten an offer high enough to win the entire lot that guaranteed him to actually make money and keep the other Uzit. This is totally immoral.

Dan

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

Do you have a benefits package in place?

Absolutely!


#1 - A lifetime subscription to the online edition of a major metropolitan newspaper.

#2 - There won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness.

[Al C.risafulli]

Deathbed? Are you wishing for someone's demise?

-Al

[marcdelpercio]

Just had a chance to read this thread and feel that I should add that I e-mailed Jamie on Friday about this card and said I was interested if it was still available. He responded within a few minutes that the "top offer is $1300" and that he would send a scan the next day, to which I replied that I was interested. There was no mention that the card was not in hand and I found it a bit odd that it had originally been advertised at $1000. I figured that there was a lot of interest so he began taking offers above that price. I was strongly considering making an offer myself depending on how the scan looked but I never received it so assumed that it had been sold. Not sure how this affects anything, if at all, but as a frequent BST user, I just wanted to make this information available to the board.

[Mike (18colt)]

I usually lurk, but felt compelled to chime in on this one.

I'm not taking sides in this particular dispute. Regardless of whether or not "Chicago" is in the right or not, or whether Jamie is in the right or not, this whole situation could have been handled privately (or semi-privately).

As a result, reputations for both parties in the eyes of their fellow collectors have likely been downgraded.

On a positive note, I will say this -- Jamie bought over 100 T-206s from me in multiple transactions back in 2008 when he was working on his set. Every transaction went off without incident. Jamie was a good buyer - he paid quickly, and we exchanged e-mails and scans so that there would be no misunderstandings when the cards and money were exchanged.

What did we all learn? Be clear with your communications. Be as honest and as accurate as possible when posting items for sale. Be cautious and have all of the information you feel you should have before committing any money to a seller. Caveat emptor.

Like them or not, their reputations did not deserve to be dragged through the mud in this fashion. Everyone makes mistakes (small ones or large ones). Everyone can learn from mistakes. Hopefully both parties will have the opportunity to show their fellow collectors that they are deserving of their business and hobby friendship.

Mike

PS: If you don't agree with me, fine. As I lurk, I probably won't see or respond to your post. Happy Collecting!

[vintagesportscollector]

[QUOTE=Blunder]Back from being out all night...Time to stick up for myself. this will be a long one...
Before I start..If posting a card you do not own in the BST ..to find a "partner" in a auction is not allowed.. then I am sorry for that....i have never done it before so i wasnt sure.

"...was that wrong? Should I not have done that? I tell you, I gotta plead ignorence on this thing, because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing is frowned upon... you know, cause I've worked sold in a lot of offices b/s/t, and I tell you, people do that all the time..."

sorry, just had to go into a Seinfeld tangent

[Tom S.]

Pot, meet kettle... (lifted from the CU forums)

http://forums.collectors.com/message...hreadid=770246

(The thread is already poofed - but in it, Chicago206 allegedly came clean and admitted that this has all been a ruse...)

Just want to fess up and apologize to everyone on this board. For the past few years, I have been living a lie. I have been making claims that just are not true. Im NOT a fireman for Chicago, but rather an unemployed IT worker. I have not worked in 20 months due to cut backs. I like to boast about things I could never have because it makes me feel important to do so in a forum like this. Any scans I have ever posted (be it cards, gold, silver, coins) were all just photos that I copied and pasted from the internet. My household income is nowhere near 173K (I wish it was!!!). In fact, I got just $17,345 from unemployment insurance last year. Also, im not married to a physical therapist who makes $86,000...again, I wish I was!!! Truth is, im not married. Im dating a woman who has 3 kids from a broken previous marraige. She is also on federal assistance as well. I just thought it was very important for me to get all this out in the open. I sincerely hope you can find it within yourselves to forgive me, and my constant lying. Thanks.

Phil

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Tom S.

Pot, meet kettle... (lifted from the CU forums)

http://forums.collectors.com/message...hreadid=770246

I would be interested in seeing this thread over there but it seems like it's not a good link?

[Tcards-Please]

Originally Posted by Tom S.

Pot, meet kettle... (lifted from the CU forums)

http://forums.collectors.com/message...hreadid=770246

Tom,

I'm getting an error when I attempt to open your link.

r/
Frank

[Tom S.]

I edited my previous thread to include his alleged admission.

[Chicago206]

I did write that thread. It was in response to members over there constantly questioning my veracity. I had been fed up with the constant BS and decided it was FAR easier to just claim I was a poor man than to defend against accusation after accusation that I was lying. At this point, I really dont give a shit what anyone believes about me anymore....I had been totally honest up till that thread, and it still wasnt enough to fend off the rats.

[jp1216]

http://forums.collectors.com/message...23&STARTPAGE=3

Kinda looks like it - but not the same thread number....

[slidekellyslide]

I'm always amused when the problems of the CU board spill over onto Net54. It always seems like the guys who can't get along over there find their way over here.

[Chicago206]

Originally Posted by jp1216

http://forums.collectors.com/message...23&STARTPAGE=3

Kinda looks like it - but not the same thread number....

Notice in that thread how I wanted to share the backs collection I was so proud of, and then the haters, who cant stand it when someone gets something nice, decide to come in and derail the thread? If you cannot see the unprovoked attacks on me in that thread, and the attempt I made in defending myself, then I dont know what to tell ya!

[ullmandds]

unreal...this is such grade school nonsense...unbelievable!!! Grow up people!

[Robextend]

Serenity Now

[barrysloate]

I have no idea which is the true story and which isn't. Does it even matter?

[Chicago206]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

I have no idea which is the true story and which isn't. Does it even matter?

Not anymore. Like Phil Collins...."I dont care anymore".

[Leon]

"were you lieing now or then?" ......tough situation. In life, as I have gotten older, I have learned it's just so much easier to tell the truth. If I make a mistake the sooner I fix it, and admit it, the better. This stuff is ludicrous.......I can't imaging concocting a big ole story like that for any reason. But hey, that's just me.

[Wesley]

Originally Posted by Tom S.

Pot, meet kettle... (lifted from the CU forums)

http://forums.collectors.com/message...hreadid=770246

(The thread is already poofed - but in it, Chicago206 allegedly came clean and admitted that this has all been a ruse...)


Quote:
Just want to fess up and apologize to everyone on this board. For the past few years, I have been living a lie. I have been making claims that just are not true. Im NOT a fireman for Chicago, but rather an unemployed IT worker. I have not worked in 20 months due to cut backs. I like to boast about things I could never have because it makes me feel important to do so in a forum like this. Any scans I have ever posted (be it cards, gold, silver, coins) were all just photos that I copied and pasted from the internet. My household income is nowhere near 173K (I wish it was!!!). In fact, I got just $17,345 from unemployment insurance last year. Also, im not married to a physical therapist who makes $86,000...again, I wish I was!!! Truth is, im not married. Im dating a woman who has 3 kids from a broken previous marraige. She is also on federal assistance as well. I just thought it was very important for me to get all this out in the open. I sincerely hope you can find it within yourselves to forgive me, and my constant lying. Thanks.

Phil

__________________

I am getting all these guys mixed up. Who is Phil? The guy who started this thread?

[barrysloate]

Life is too short for this stuff.

[Robextend]

Agreed, life is too short. Who cares what other people think anyway?

You post some of your collection; some people appreciate it, others don't...move on. Drumming up stories and making a big deal of these things makes you no better then the very people who got you upset in the first place.

[reljac]

Originally Posted by Wesley

I am getting all these guys mixed up. Who is Phil? The guy who started this thread?

Phil = Gecko on CU and Chicago206 on Net54.

[scooter729]

Who's Phil??? I'm still trying to figure out who's Schmoopy!

[barrysloate]

Schmoopie= wife of George Stephanopolous

[Chicago206]

Im Phil...nice to meet you!

[Robextend]

JERRY: There's Sidra.

KRAMER: There's Salman.

JERRY: Where?

KRAMER: Talkin' to that woman.

JERRY: Talkin' to Sidra?

KRAMER: If that's Sidra, she's talkin' to Salman.

JERRY: I don't think that's Salman.

KRAMER: Well, I don't think they're real.

JERRY: If that's Rushdie, they're real.

KRAMER: If they're real, that's Rushdie.

JERRY: Well, I gotta know - I'm talkin' to Sidra.

KRAMER: I gotta know, I'm talkin' to Salman.

[barrysloate]

He took it out.

[Robextend]

Some people just look for too much attention on this board...Net 54 is like the Alex theatre.


KRAMER: Look, honey, I know you're trying to get Lloyd to notice you, but this is too much. Parading around in a wet T-shirt.

ELAINE: Uhh, I got sprayed with a hose.

KRAMER: Yeah, well, I'm sorry, but the Alex is a family theatre, not one of your swing joints.

[barrysloate]

GEORGE: What do you do for a living Newman?

NEWMAN: I'm a United States postal worker.

GEORGE: Aren't those the guys that lose their jobs and then come back and shoot everybody?

NEWMAN: Sometimes...

JERRY: Why is that?

NEWMAN: Because the mail never stops...it keeps coming and coming, and then the bar code reader breaks, and then it's Publisher's Clearinghouse Week...

Okay, enough Seinfeld for today. back to business.

[Kotton King]

Yes....please....enough Seinfeld

[frankb22]

From the tone of that post I sure do get the impression he was being
completely sarcastic. I hope you guys aren't just doing this for your
own amusement because I can't see how anyone can read that and think
it's anything other than a goof.

[Kotton King]

Originally Posted by frankb22

From the tone of that post I sure do get the impression he was being
completely sarcastic. I hope you guys aren't just doing this for your
own amusement because I can't see how anyone can read that and think
it's anything other than a goof.

I'm in total agreement with you Frank.

[Chicago206]

Originally Posted by frankb22

From the tone of that post I sure do get the impression he was being
completely sarcastic. I hope you guys aren't just doing this for your
own amusement because I can't see how anyone can read that and think
it's anything other than a goof.

Its refreshing to see that my sarcasm was not lost on everyone.

[Potomac Yank]

Is there a Seinfeld Sports Forum ... somewhere?

[barrysloate]

When Chicago206 came up with these bizarre and contradictory stories, I had no trouble derailing this thread. If we were discussing something even remotely important, I would not have done so.

[Chicago206]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

When Chicago206 came up with these bizarre and contradictory stories, I had no trouble derailing this thread. If we were discussing something even remotely important, I would not have done so.

I didnt "come up with" anything here in this thread. That was a post that was made in a completely seperate forum...correct? I simply "responded" to the allegations.

[barrysloate]

Fair point. But somewhere between this forum and the CU one you told two different stories that contradicted each other. And I found that weird...so I behaved weirdly in turn.

[Potomac Yank]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

When Chicago206 came up with these bizarre and contradictory stories, I had no trouble derailing this thread. If we were discussing something even remotely important, I would not have done so.

*

You once derailed a thread about black baseball players during the 1880's (Fleetwood etc) with an SNL episode. ... I can give you the archive if you like.

[Chicago206]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Fair point. But somewhere between this forum and the CU one you told two different stories that contradicted each other. And I found that weird...so I behaved weirdly in turn.

We all have a tendency to act "weirdly" when we receive info thats out of context. The little tidbit of info you got (that opening post I made in another forum) was a result of, and tied in with alot of public bashing I had received over on that forum. Below is a taste of what im talking about. You will notice that I wanted to discuss cards, but a few idiots wanted to discuss my personal finances instead.

http://forums.collectors.com/message...23&STARTPAGE=1

[vintagewhitesox]

Originally Posted by Leon

"were you lieing now or then?" ......tough situation. In life, as I have gotten older, I have learned it's just so much easier to tell the truth. If I make a mistake the sooner I fix it, and admit it, the better. This stuff is ludicrous.......I can't imaging concocting a big ole story like that for any reason. But hey, that's just me.

Remember Jerry, it's not a lie if YOU believe it.

[barrysloate]

Thanks Joe, but I have a good memory. I know that thread well. You've already archived it.

[scooter729]

You're not giving Lloyd Braun the waterpick!

Serenity Now!!!

[Potomac Yank]

One guy is into Fantasies ... but at least he's trying to break out of it.

The other guy is a shutin in one of the most electrifying Cities in the world, and all he does is watch TV re runs 24/7 ...

Is there a Seinfeld Sports Forum ... somewhere?

[barrysloate]

Joe- you know you and I have had a very bad history on this board and I am not going to engage you in any dialogue past this point. I am going to take the high road and exit from this thread. I think it is the best thing, plus nobody wants to see yet one more fight over here.

I was speaking to Leon recently and I actually told him that I thought you have been posting in an exemplary manner, and that since you came back to the board you have avoided fighting with people. And that's a good thing, so I am going to keep it that way. Thank you. Have a good day.

[Chicago206]

I wanna know what happened to the D-bag in post #157, who basically came here to say "look mommy...look at what he did....". Must be a very interesting life he leads....he seems to LOVE to start web forum drama. I wonder why he left so soon? Typical D-bag.

[mintacular]

Is a ban being considered for 'Chicago'? (Who knows, maybe he lives in NY). I don't like the idea of fraudsters hanging around this site...

[sgbernard]

I tried to stay quiet, and I hate to enter into these things, but guys, come on. This isn't the CU forum, or at least it didn't used to be. Can we leave CU stuff there. Seriously? That's what makes our forum good and theirs bad. Or that's what used to make it so. Thanks.
IMO, this thread needs to be locked. What can possibly be said that contributes to anything on this thread that hasn't been said? I'm tired of seeing it at the top of our board. I know I'm bumping it by writing, but only in a plea for the moderators to lock it. What's the purpose in letting it continue?

[jb217676]

I don't want to offend any of his fans, but it seems like more and more threads turn into a Jerry Seinfeld love-fest. What gives?

[BCauley]

Originally Posted by jb217676

I don't want to offend any of his fans, but it seems like more and more threads turn into a Jerry Seinfeld love-fest. What gives?

I would like to see some Larry David a la Curb Your Enthusiasm, though I don't know how.

In any event, if total honesty was on the table in the first place, this thread wouldn't even exist. With all the issues going on in life, I see no reason why someone has to be dishonest about baseball cards.