1980-present variations

[butchie_t]

Dylan,

My guess is Al means this one for the birthdate.

[ALR-bishop]

Sorry Dylan, I was not very precise. This is what I have

[jacksoncoupage]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Sorry Dylan, I was not very precise. This is what I have

Gotcha, relieved to hear it!

[richtree]

Originally Posted by butchie_t

I received this sweet little specimen in the mail today.

I have an extra of this one if anyone wants to buy...

thakns

[philliesfan]

Jim Gantner - Spider Webb
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[Pat R]

A different version of the Quintana registration mark is also found on some of the micro's. I have yet to see any on the gold or gold winners.

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[bocca001]

Is this yellow in Pitcher on the 1980 Don Stanhouse card a known variation? Just noticed this today looking through my set.

[Cliff Bowman]

I don't know if it's well known or not but I bought one years ago on eBay that had the yellow in the listing description. I also have Putman and Wockenfuss which I believe are known. ETA, mine is a little different than yours.

[bocca001]

Who was in charge of the yellow paint in 1980?

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Who was in charge of the yellow paint in 1980?

In my opinion 1980 Topps is the most screwed up Topps set print error wise, it has everything.

[bocca001]

Looks like someone wiped mustard across the top half of your Stanhouse card

[ALR-bishop]

!980 is chuck full of oddities. 1991 may beat it out if backs are considered

[Pat R]

I've had people tell me that there are more of these partial wrong back 2002 Fleer Traditions but I've never seen any.

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[G1911]

Those are cool, odd kind of wrong back. I had a blast with those Fleer Traditions when they came out, Goudey’s at Target was perfect.

[strike-in]

Found one card.
Then found another and saw that it fit.
Then found the 3rd
and recalled the Deion Sanders and it fit.
Kinda cool to find all four, like a puzzle or error cards.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by strike-in

Found one card.
Then found another and saw that it fit.
Then found the 3rd
and recalled the Deion Sanders and it fit.
Kinda cool to find all four, like a puzzle or error cards.

That is awesome that you found all 4 cards that fit together.

[ALR-bishop]

Originally Posted by bnorth

That is awesome that you found all 4 cards that fit together.

+ 1

[butchie_t]

I just picked up Bump Wills 79 Rangers variation (other one got lost in the move) and new for me, 84 Jim Palmer, missing losses on back (circled). Bump does not really fit this thread but one post verses two is good enough. There were more 84s than 79 so that won out. The McGee and Robertson were upgrades not variations.

Cheers,

B.T.

[ALR-bishop]

There are several different versions of the missing stats on the Palmer

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

There are several different versions of the missing stats on the Palmer

Thanks Al,

I'll be on the lookout.

Cheers,

B.T.

[strike-in]

I found a 5th card which I think is the final one.
Most fun I've had with error cards.

I have an offer, all five cards for $100.
The person really want's them, nice enough guy from what I can tell, but the push for the cards makes me think this print error might be more desirable than I thought.

I can't think of anything special except looks neat and the puzzle is put together.

I don't understand the values on printing errors, from big bucks to a few pennies.

[G1911]

I have no idea about value, but that’s really cool to piece together. Thanks for sharing the project.

[ALR-bishop]

They remind me of the Topps 1986 Seaver, Clemons and Puhl related variants. The Seaver and Clemens have star power but even the Puhl brings a good premium. Now that you have unveiled them maybe they will catch on too in terms of value. Hard to predict, as Greg noted

[Cliff Bowman]

I could be wrong but I don't believe that is a recurring print defect, from what I understand that's from water drops being on the sheets as they are being printed and rolled and are randomly anywhere on any sheet. It seems like the late 80's-early 90's Topps sheets were the main culprits. I'm sure an expert will explain it better .

[jacksoncoupage]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

I could be wrong but I don't believe that is a recurring print defect, from what I understand that's from water drops being on the sheets as they are being printed and rolled and are randomly anywhere on any sheet. It seems like the late 80's-early 90's Topps sheets were the main culprits. I'm sure an expert will explain it better .

I think you've nailed it.

[strike-in]

I got two of the Rijos cards no other repeats.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by strike-in

I got two of the Rijos cards no other repeats.

That means I was a little off on my theory then, apparently the water moisture is on the print roller and will probably cause the same flaw on a few sheets similarly until the water is gone from the roller at that spot.

[G1911]

Isn't that still a printing variation and recurring defect (assuming all do recur), as it happened during printing? Water on the roller being the cause, but all printing variants and defects have a cause. Or am I crazy for still thinking of that as a printing variant?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by strike-in

I found a 5th card which I think is the final one.
Most fun I've had with error cards.

I have an offer, all five cards for $100.
The person really want's them, nice enough guy from what I can tell, but the push for the cards makes me think this print error might be more desirable than I thought.

I can't think of anything special except looks neat and the puzzle is put together.

I don't understand the values on printing errors, from big bucks to a few pennies.

If I was offered $100 for those they would have been instantly sold. I consider myself crazy and think I highly overpay for print defects and I wouldn't pay more than $20 delivered. Just my novice opinion.

[strike-in]

Originally Posted by bnorth

If I was offered $100 for those they would have been instantly sold. I consider myself crazy and think I highly overpay for print defects and I wouldn't pay more than $20 delivered. Just my novice opinion.

thank you.
I see sold crazy prices on the epay.
I don't get it why you would pay a grand or so for a dot missing?

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by G1911

Isn't that still a printing variation and recurring defect (assuming all do recur), as it happened during printing? Water on the roller being the cause, but all printing variants and defects have a cause. Or am I crazy for still thinking of that as a printing variant?

Yes, I stand corrected, if he has two Rijo cards that are nearly identical then that is recurring, but there can't be more than a few of them.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by strike-in

thank you.
I see sold crazy prices on the epay.
I don't get it why you would pay a grand or so for a dot missing?

The error card world is crazy and nothing in it makes sense and I have been collecting them for 35 years easily.

[jacksoncoupage]

Originally Posted by strike-in

thank you.
I see sold crazy prices on the epay.
I don't get it why you would pay a grand or so for a dot missing?

All of those completed sales are fake. Not a single "dot missing" type of "error" listing is a real sale.

[ALR-bishop]

What are examples of missing dot errors ?

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

What are examples of missing dot errors ?

I think he means the majority of these.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw...Sold=1&_sop=16

[jacksoncoupage]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

I think he means the majority of these.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw...Sold=1&_sop=16

Those too, but referring to these, I believe:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...p=16&LH_Sold=1

All 1989-1992 Donruss cards have a INC. or INC version. Same with 1991-1992 Leaf. Similarly, 1990-1992 Fleer products all have U.S.A. or U.S.A versions. Neither version is in shorter supply. Since 2020, there have been very large sales showing for these cards. None of which have been substantiated and usually are from a zero feedback seller with a single starting bid win.

[butchie_t]

Cal Ripken Jr. - 238 Streak Ends

Got this one today, it is missing foil mentioning his ROY award. Gotta be more out there somewhere. Regardless, this one is a keeper!

[G1911]

1988 Fleer Baseball MVP; one of their innumerable late 80's 44 card sets, this one for Toys R Us distribution. Mike Dunne comes with or without this blue line to the left of his name. Correct copy is the common one.

[G1911]

Jim Palmer's 1983 Fleer card comes with or without this white blotch over his birthplace. Both seem to be easy.

[G1911]

Cataloguing my 83 Fleers and noticed Nolan Ryan comes with a similar splotch, over his Height and Born lines. With or without the splotch are both easy.

[4reals]

1982 Topps #703 “leaf cap”. Half the fun is naming them.




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[4reals]

1981 Topps Barry Evans #72 (blob on hat)




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[saucywombat]

Originally Posted by saucywombat

I have discovered a "gold" streak variation for 4 different gold refractors from Series 2 of 1996 Finest.

Gold bar goes top to bottom in the same spot and with same width on all 4 cards.

And now also Tim Salmon...

[wpeters]

I noticed this one today. There is a patch of white in the pink area of the small photo. There is also a white splotch on his arm above the elbow. The blue dot above the elbow is on all the cards I have, but the white splotch is only on the cards with the white in the pink area. There is also a small discoloration between the Y and A in Royals. The two print defect cards are on the right. None of the defects are on the cards on the left, which seem more plentiful.

[richtree]

Jeff King Yellow error and two 87 topps with same error/variation

[ALR-bishop]

I know the King is pretty tough to find, how about the 87s ?

[richtree]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

I know the King is pretty tough to find, how about the 87s ?

They are some of the hardest I ever found....

[butchie_t]

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[butchie_t]

The 86 Topps Blue Streak Clemens. I have the 86 Topps Seaver on its way and the search is on for the Puhl version as well. This will be busted out of its tomb and placed into my 86 binder.

The 89 Donruss Bobby Bonilla #2 has what looks like a hand made circle top right of the card. I have seen more of these but this was around the time this card came out. I did a search today and did not find any on eBay or COMC. And I do not see this one documented anywhere either.

The 1989 Donruss checklist #600 I got today. This version is only available in the factory sealed sets that has the black bar on the top left of the back of the card (The card numbering stops at #660 and does not list the BC's that were in the wax packs on the back of the card).

Interesting thing with this card is the Front and Back are printed like a coin. Flip it top to bottom, the back is upright. Flip it left to right, the back is upside down. Note the card holder position front and back. None of the other factory checklists are printed this way, just #600.

There is one other #600 factory set only variation with a black bar on the right top and bottom of the card, I'm still looking for that one and have no idea yet if the same print anomaly is carried over to that one as well. I will find one eventually and post it when I do.

The 1990 Donruss cards show their respective variations. Yeah I know, crap set with a boat load of variations. (NOTE: I do not consider the 'Inc dot' and no 'Inc dot' to be of any significance at all to consider them worthy to collect.) YMMV.

The Grand Slam cards are missing the black line on the right side reverse of the card. Julio Franco has the "All-Star Game Performance Header" on the reverse of the card instead of the "Recent Major League Performance' Header.

The Jeff Innis has a 'scratch' in the circle. And the Dale Murphy has a black bar covering the top of his 'D' in his first name.

When I bought the case of the 90's Donruss way back when they first came out, it turned out to be a very early printing case and had danged near all the variations that are documented. So, I busted a factory set when they came out and put together almost a master set. I am too close now to not go ahead and get the final few cards to make this master set happen. 89 and 90 will be the only two Donruss sets that I mess with. I have sold or gotten rid of the rest.

But I did keep the remaining 90 Donruss Wax Boxes, and they are unopened....
(insert foot stomp here).

Enjoy,

Butch

[butchie_t]

Now that I am in the right forum, again:

The 86 Topps Tom Seaver Blue Streak brings me down to Mr. Puhl to complete that group.

The 90 Donruss Harold Baines has the line through the yellow star on front and the All-Star Game Performance on the back header.

The 90 Donruss Grand Slammers Todd Benzinger with the red star verses yellow star on front was a nice find for me. One of the harder variations in this set of copious variations to find.

I thought I had the second 89 Donruss #600 checklist variations knocked off. But the cards and the description of the cards were two different things. Not worth it enough to file a claim or return them.

Search continues for 89 checklists.