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[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by rats60

So they were morons who weren't allowed to own property? So they were morons who were denied employment? So they were morons who were denied government assistance? So they are morons because they won't be ok with being enslaved in poverty? So they are morons because they aren't ok with being mocked and demeaned? Being the majority doesn't give them the right to treat others as lesser humans.

What does any of that have to do with the name of a baseball team. And what tribe do you belong to?

[Throttlesteer]

and now the Vancouver Canucks have been asked to change their logo due to cultural appropriation. Luckily the timing is random and it's not like this has anything to do with any perceived wave of virtue signaling or social outrage stemming from being locked up in the house all year.

I'm amazed they've previously tuned out all of the Canadian native tribe's calls to right this wrong.

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

I say they come up with 30 new nicknames, all politically correct, or what's politically correct for the time being, subject to change down the road of course.

Then there is a draft for the 30 names.

".....and the 30th pick in the MLB name draft the team formerly known as the Yankees will now be.......the Pigeons."

Sounds about right. My favorite team before I could talk or even walk, was the Yankees. It would be just my luck that I gotta put a decal of a Pigeon on my car. People won't know if I'm a fan of the baseball team formally known as the Yankees, or if I'm a butcher. What's even more sad is that there's an actual probability of this actually happening.

[earlywynnfan]

Interesting post, what yankees decal do you have on your car now?

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

Sounds about right. My favorite team before I could talk or even walk, was the Yankees. It would be just my luck that I gotta put a decal of a Pigeon on my car. People won't know if I'm a fan of the baseball team formally known as the Yankees, or if I'm a butcher. What's even more sad is that there's an actual probability of this actually happening.

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Interesting post, what yankees decal do you have on your car now?

Currently I have no decals on my car. It needs a good cleaning and buff/wax. So I usually remove any decals if there are any, and then replace them with something similar like a color change, or go completely different. I owned a custom auto performance shop, and a couple years back I had to close it because of some major health issues, neighbor problems, an unfortunate shooting incident, and some unfixable zoning issues with the town. I think much of the problems were related to jealousy and envy but I was really sick and that was my main priority. Then a year later, the virus hit and I've just been kind of on the side lines waiting for the right time to get back into it. So at the time, I had unlimited options. We did simple oil changes to frame off restorations, custom built kit cars, powder coatings, high temp ceramic coatings, sand blasting, bullet proof coatings, full autobody and paint booth, literally everything. Even boat and aircraft, with occasional experimental items from Pratt and other DOD contracted companies. Even firearm coatings. We did everything in house except upholstery and large machine shop work but had plans to add them to the operation. My last shop was 30K sq. ft. Now I wait to see what happens to other small business owners and if they are able to get back to where they once were. I did a lot of fleet vehicle maintenance also, for many of the local businesses and auto auctions. So it's a waiting game and hopefully one day soon, things get back to normal, but I need to make sure the money is really out there before making any life changing decisions. Here's a couple of the Yankees vinyl decal designs that I'd use. I have some others on a different hard drive but was able to design just about anything, as long as I was given an idea and direction to head in. I couldn't come up with ideas starting with a blank page. I'm not the artist in the family. I'm more of a technical and electrical hands on person but will still sit in front of a computer and design a custom logo for a new company.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by triwak

Why not consult with the leaders of the local area's prevalent Native American tribe, and if it's acceptable to them, use that tribe name as the mascot (ala the Florida Seminoles)? I thought the same thing should have been done in Washington. Seems like that would be respectful, while keeping an element of tradition.

Who's saying they didn't? Or, perhaps, the Cleveland owners didn't want to select one tribe over another?

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Throttlesteer

and now the Vancouver Canucks have been asked to change their logo due to cultural appropriation.

And they've already rejected the notion along with multiple statements of support from First Nations groups.

[vintagewhitesox]

Originally Posted by campyfan39

This will do nothing for anyone. Just a total cave to the sjw movement. 105 years. Hope they never see the WS again. Are the Braves next?

I sure hope so! Change come gradually. but change comes. Good for Cleveland.

[Throttlesteer]

Originally Posted by Tabe

And they've already rejected the notion along with multiple statements of support from First Nations groups.

And what should this tell you?

Clearly a number of these requests driven by social outrage aren't coming from the group supposedly impacted.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Throttlesteer

And what should this tell you?

Clearly a number of these requests driven by social outrage aren't coming from the group supposedly impacted.

Well, in the case of the Canucks at least, that would seem to be the case.

I can't speak for the Cleveland situation.

[One 'ol Cat]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

And how long until the Buffalo Bills name has to be changed because it's so sexist??!! Maybe they should be called the Western NY Non-Gender Specific Team???

Actually the Buffalo Bills were named after Buffalo Bill Cody (ya got to go back to the original Buffalo Bills in the AAFC). Now Buffalo Bill Cody was a KILLER of Indians (or so he spent the last half of his life claiming). I mean if we are going all PC and everything...

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by One 'ol Cat

Actually the Buffalo Bills were named after Buffalo Bill Cody (ya got to go back to the original Buffalo Bills in the AAFC). Now Buffalo Bill Cody was a KILLER of Indians (or so he spent the last half of his life claiming). I mean if we are going all PC and everything...

Um, they're obviously named after Buffalo Bill Cody, who was a man. That is precisely why I referred to it as being 'sexist' to these freakin' SJWs.

[Butch7999]

Originally Posted by One 'ol Cat

Actually the Buffalo Bills were named after Buffalo Bill Cody (ya got to go back to the original Buffalo Bills in the AAFC). Now Buffalo Bill Cody was a KILLER of Indians (or so he spent the last half of his life claiming). I mean if we are going all PC and everything...

Actually and in fact, this issue did get some little bit of discussion the last few years. It hasn't generated much traction, though,
perhaps mainly because Cody hadn't been much researched by the original 1940s ownership group who probably thought of Cody
as a generic cowboy tough-guy character, and now also because many -- we'd daresay most -- Bills fans don't even connect Cody
with the team name. Hey, maybe we can disavow the Cody thing and associate "Buffalo Bill" with that guy from Silence of the Lambs...

[toledo_mudhen]

Since these arguments are assinine (at best) we just need to pull the trigger on renaming all 30 teams. I suggest BBC1 thru BBC 30 and call it a day.

That oughta satisfy the woketards - well unless of course the pecking order comes into play - Why are the Yankees given the BBC1 monicar and the Marlins are BBC30???

All of these discussions make me want to throw up in my mouth (a little bit) - the entire country is falling apart BUT these are the MOST important issues of the day... FFS

and just what the hell is a Mudhen anyway?

[toledo_mudhen]

The American coot (Fulica americana), also known as a mud hen or pouldeau, is a bird of the family Rallidae

"COOT"? Seriously?

[rats60]

Originally Posted by campyfan39

This IMO is why it matters. No one was being hurt or persecuted etc. because of the name. The posts (including mine) prove that this is a political issue and not really about right and wrong.
On Net54 we have a community that is unified around the hobby and sport we love and because this name change we are now sniping at each other, divided and name calling. I just don't see what changing the name accomplishes but I do see the division it causes

No, the owner of the Cleveland baseball team discussed cultural issues with Native American groups and decided to change his team's name. That has caused a group of people to be triggered over something that is none of their concern. There is nothing political about it. Like 99% of issues on the internet, 99% of people are closed minded and will not listen to others opinions. Also, this community isn't unified around the hobby, the same thing happens in hobby related threads.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by rats60

No, the owner of the Cleveland baseball team discussed cultural issues with Native American groups and decided to change his team's name. That has caused a group of people to be triggered over something that is none of their concern. There is nothing political about it. Like 99% of issues on the internet, 99% of people are closed minded and will not listen to others opinions. Also, this community isn't unified around the hobby, the same thing happens in hobby related threads.

IF you want to keep arguing put your name out here. I hate arguing with anonymous internet people. thanks

[rats60]

Originally Posted by triwak

Why not consult with the leaders of the local area's prevalent Native American tribe, and if it's acceptable to them, use that tribe name as the mascot (ala the Florida Seminoles)? I thought the same thing should have been done in Washington. Seems like that would be respectful, while keeping an element of tradition. I think the "one-size-fits-all" terms are partly the reason Native Americans have a problem with such terms. They don't identify that way.

That is exactly what the owner did and why the team's name is changing. Also, the largest Seminole tribe opposes the use of their name.

[Throttlesteer]

Originally Posted by Leon

IF you want to keep arguing put your name out here. I hate arguing with anonymous internet people. thanks

There is some irony to this, isn't there? Arguing about using someone's name without using your name.

[yanks87]

It's a mascot, I don't understand all the venom being slung around here. Chief Wahoo was offensive, and the team name marginalizes a group of people by turning their race into a caricature of a stereotype to push merchandise. In my mind, that is a wrong that is easy to fix. I'd like to think that we as a society move forward by always evolving and realizing that things that worked 10, 20, 100 years ago, doesn't necessarily work now. This is one of those cases. Go back to the Spiders, and I will be first in line to buy a hat.

Save the politics and passion for other things, a little empathy and accountability benefits all of us, even if it means we have to cheer a different name.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by toledo_mudhen

All of these discussions make me want to throw up in my mouth (a little bit) - the entire country is falling apart BUT these are the MOST important issues of the day... FFS

Who said it's the most important issue? No one.

The owner of a private business changed the business's name (basically). Happens thousands of times a year, I would imagine. This is a non-issue but you seem to think it's a major deal. Why?

[RCMcKenzie]

I think a return to their former name, 'Spiders', would be great. Here's a 2011 Topps Lineage of Cy Young (from eBay) and a Just So prototype for McAleer (from my pc).

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Throttlesteer

There is some irony to this, isn't there? Arguing about using someone's name without using your name.

I think Rats60 needs a name change to Chickens60, unless he cares to put up or shut up!

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by yanks87

It's a mascot, I don't understand all the venom being slung around here. .

Because the discussion is a proxy for political ideology to a great extent. It’s like Uniwatch, CNN, and Parlor had a ménage à trois.

[t206fix]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

I think Rats60 needs a name change to Chickens60, unless he cares to put up or shut up!

2 out of the first 4 posts on this thread didn't put their full name, plus many more. Why wait till post 217 to start calling people out.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by t206fix

2 out of the first 4 posts on this thread didn't put their full name, plus many more. Why wait till post 217 to start calling people out.

Is it hard, or unreasonable, for people to just put their names in their profile and leave it at that?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by t206fix

2 out of the first 4 posts on this thread didn't put their full name, plus many more. Why wait till post 217 to start calling people out.

None of those first 4 posts, without a name, would require one. That said 1 of those names was put out there because of the name rule and subsequent posts. Others to follow if needed. And Rats got warned to lay off but had posted before he saw the warning. I would rather everyone have their name out here but a lot of people don't want that. They just need to abide by the rules. The main rule which specifically concerns anonymity on the forum is in bold letters near the top of every page. It is a broad rule on purpose.


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[Throttlesteer]

Honestly, the day you need to worry about your name on a vintage card board is the day you need to seek help. Well, unless you're scamming or conning people in the hobby.

[yanks87]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

Because the discussion is a proxy for political ideology to a great extent. It’s like Uniwatch, CNN, and Parlor had a ménage à trois.

Gold star to you, that comment wins the day! I got a good late night laugh on that one, thank you for keeping it light!