American Lithographic T206 journals?

[topcat61]

Good morning everyone! A few years ago I came across a thread here where someone posted a journal or document containing detailed information from American Lithographic on the issuance of T206 brands - distribution, start and end dates for each brand with a description of the card. Does anyone remember this or can find more information on this? Thanks.

[ullmandds]

i remember seeing a bunch of those at a show many years ago...the ones I saw had a front and back of a card pasted to a ledger page for each of the backs. Wondering if some got soaked off over the years.

[brianp-beme]

Here is a thread about the T206 ledger sheets and some other relevant T206 documents that the OP posted links. Unfortunately these links are no longer valid. I believe the OP is still a member.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=144862

I also think Ted has used some of this information in his various T206 threads. I don't recall if he has ever posted images.

Brian

[arcadekrazy]

I recall one of these ledger journal pages selling in a Mastro auction sometime in 2000/2001

[Vintagecatcher]

Terry Knouse had some of these ledger pages around 1997. I believe I saw them at the 1997 Cleveland National.

Patrick

[brass_rat]

Here's some photos of them.

http://t206resource.com/Ledger%20Page%20Gallery.html

[1880nonsports]

I saw the ledger mostly complete. Apparently they even ripped apart individual pages. Some hobby.....

[Leon]

Originally Posted by 1880nonsports

I saw the ledger mostly complete. Apparently they even ripped apart individual pages. Some hobby.....

The answer to craziness, many times, is money. Kind of sad when ruining history.

[slantycouch]

Originally Posted by 1880nonsports

I saw the ledger mostly complete. Apparently they even ripped apart individual pages. Some hobby.....

Indeed. Anything for $. Shame to see things like this get destroyed and separated.

[topcat61]

Thanks for the info and when I saw those "notes" posted on T206 recourse, all I could think of was how much information was lost but cutting or ripping them up.

[autograf]

Todd Riley has most of the non-sport pages lumped into a single PDF on his site located at the URL below. Some of the T220 boxing and T219 sports are there but none of the baseball. The non-sports were largely intact, full pages, not like the baseball trimmed down so much. Hobby archaeology......

http://www.non-sport.com/ATC.pdf

[1880nonsports]

next time make them access it through the non-sport portal. We could use some new traffic and collectors

[tedzan]

Tom

A wealth of information in that link, Thanks very much for posting it.

Here is my MURAD Cigarettes premium depicted on Page #53 of these documents.





TED Z

T206 Reference
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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by autograf

Todd Riley has most of the non-sport pages lumped into a single PDF on his site located at the URL below. Some of the T220 boxing and T219 sports are there but none of the baseball. The non-sports were largely intact, full pages, not like the baseball trimmed down so much. Hobby archaeology......

http://www.non-sport.com/ATC.pdf

Thanks for posting this Tom. They do mention baseball players in a couple of them.

The Old Mill page says "began packing Nat'l players same as those used
in Piedmonts Jan 8 1910" the Old Mill page also says "began packing one Nat'l
+ 1 So league pict" and "cabinet size ball players picture to each carton".

The Tolstoi page says "Advise we have discontinued packing Baseball pictures
in Tolstoi and substituted 1 Military and 1 pugilist pictures. started packing march
11 1911.

[Bill77]

The Lenox page also mentions Baseball and still has a baseball card attached.

It says "also began packing base ball pictures Oct 15 / 10 - 1 to E box of 10

[Leon]

Wonderful information from ledgers throughout the years.

Originally Posted by Bill77

The Lenox page also mentions Baseball and still has a baseball card attached.

It says "also began packing base ball pictures Oct 15 / 10 - 1 to E box of 10

[Pat R]

Looking at the Old Mill page again where it says cabinet size ball players
to each carton could these be H801-7,s.
It looks like it also says cabinet size
prizefighters and near the bottom it says to pack for all states except Ohio.

[canjond]

Here are 2 of the original BB pages. Unfortunately other scans I had have been lost to time.

[Pat R]

I'm surprised this thread has received so few responses the pdf file Tom
posted of the ATC journal is incredible information on a large number of
sports and non sports tobacco cards.

The first two index pages list the different brands and most of the pages that they are
on in the journal.

A couple of interesting things I see about t206's that haven't been mentioned
is that 13 of the 15 t206 brands (not including Ty Cobb) are on the index page
but EPDG and Polar Bear are missing also a few of the T206 brands say began
packing for all states except Ohio on some of the ledger pages.

ATC Index Ledger page 1.jpg

ATC Index Ledger page 2.jpg


I think the most interesting thing I found is on the first Carolina Brights page
in the ledger.

John posted one of the Carolina Brights pages in the above post but unfortunately the packing and shipping info has been ripped off but on the earlier Carolina Brights page on the side it says "began packing ball pictures Piedmont back backs in Carolina Brights 12/8/09 or 12/18/09"(I cant tell which). And after that it says began packing 2 ball pictures with C.B. backs but it doesn't have a date.

ATC Carolina Brights Ledger page 1.jpg

ATC Carolina Brights Ledger page 1 - Copy.jpg

To me it seems to indicate that before they began printing the Carolina Brights backs on t206's they were inserting Piedmonts in the C.B. packs.

[brianp-beme]

That is a cool tidbit Pat about Carolina Brights packages probably containing Piedmont backs before they began inserting CB backs into CB packs. Just another possible reason, besides popularity of the Piedmont brand, that Piedmonts backs are so common...cross brand synergy!

Brian

[chriskim]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

That is a cool tidbit Pat about Carolina Brights packages probably containing Piedmont backs before they began inserting CB backs into CB packs. Just another possible reason, besides popularity of the Piedmont brand, that Piedmonts backs are so common...cross brand synergy!

Brian

This is very interesting....

Without this things in documentation, if one pulled Piedmont cards from unopened CB packs, everyone would think those CB packs were tampered.

It is also interesting to know 25 cards were just loosely included inside a carton package and not inside individual tobacco packs.

[boneheadandrube]

[QUOTE=Pat R;2011783]I'm surprised this thread has received so few responses the pdf file Tom
posted of the ATC journal is incredible information on a large number of
sports and non sports tobacco cards.

The first two index pages list the different brands and most of the pages that they are
on in the journal.

A couple of interesting things I see about t206's that haven't been mentioned
is that 13 of the 15 t206 brands (not including Ty Cobb) are on the index page
but EPDG and Polar Bear are missing also a few of the T206 brands say began
packing for all states except Ohio on some of the ledger pages.

Attachment 415453

Attachment 415454


It looks like it says Gales (EPD Gales) right under Hindu on that list, no?

[Pat R]

[QUOTE=boneheadandrube;2011923]

Originally Posted by Pat R

I'm surprised this thread has received so few responses the pdf file Tom
posted of the ATC journal is incredible information on a large number of
sports and non sports tobacco cards.

The first two index pages list the different brands and most of the pages that they are
on in the journal.

A couple of interesting things I see about t206's that haven't been mentioned
is that 13 of the 15 t206 brands (not including Ty Cobb) are on the index page
but EPDG and Polar Bear are missing also a few of the T206 brands say began
packing for all states except Ohio on some of the ledger pages.

Attachment 415453

Attachment 415454


It looks like it says Gales (EPD Gales) right under Hindu on that list, no?

I saw that Greg but I wasn't sure if that is EPDG or not that page is missing from the ledger. I don't remember seeing an EPDG page mentioned in some
of the older threads about the t206 ledger pages but maybe someone else
does.

[T206Collector]

The only reason I knew where these were is because the same catalog hosted a large portion of Jeff Morey's autograph collection, including his signed T206 Cicotte, Clarke Batting, Crawford batting, and Wheat.

Extra large image so people can grab screen shots if they want for their research/records.

[ullmandds]

i remember seeing that uzit letter at a national many years ago...I think the asking price was like $2200.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

The only reason I knew where these were is because the same catalog hosted a large portion of Jeff Morey's autograph collection, including his signed T206 Cicotte, Clarke Batting, Crawford batting, and Wheat.

Extra large image so people can grab screen shots if they want for their research/records.

Thanks for posting those Paul, I knew the Uzit letter and that other Tolstoi
letter existed but I couldn't find any images of them.

[mrvster]

incredible stuff!!

I almost bought a ledger page!

[Bridwell]

Pat R, looking at the Index page is does say "Gales". Could that be EPDG?

Also, note that Polar Bear was, I believe, only inserted in Tobacco packs and not Cigarette packs like the other brands. It could explain why Polar Bear is not listed.