Hey, pennant guys

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Gary- for the cloth pennants and toploaders, I use a modern stiff pennant, put the cloth one on top of the modern (with the cloth tip hanging over a bit), and then slide them into the toploader together. Then pinch the end of the toploader to grab the cloth pennant and slide out the modern pennant. That usually gets me pretty close and easy to adjust the rest of the way.

Here is my most recent Giants pickup. I've seen mini versions of this pennant many times, but don't recall seeing a full size version. This is full size, with good colors. It was clearly stored folded up and out of the sun.

Thanks Marc. I'll give that a go.

That Giants pennant is a beauty.

[bradleywr]

Anyone know the year of this pennant? I haven't been able to locate a similar while searching online. Thanks!

[UKCardGuy]

I think I've found a new manufacturer of pennants in the 40s-50s. Eder Mfg Co.

They're still in business today...the largest manufacturer of flags and flagpoles in the USA. But they started out making pillows, felt pennants and rag dolls.

https://ederflag.com/pages/about-us

I wonder what other pennants they might have produced.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

I think I've found a new manufacturer of pennants in the 40s-50s. Eder Mfg Co.

They're still in business today...the largest manufacturer of flags and flagpoles in the USA. But they started out making pillows, felt pennants and rag dolls.

https://ederflag.com/pages/about-us

I wonder what other pennants they might have produced.

Very cool, Gary! I think a lot of early pennant makers also made pillow tops.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

I think I've found a new manufacturer of pennants in the 40s-50s. Eder Mfg Co.

They're still in business today...the largest manufacturer of flags and flagpoles in the USA. But they started out making pillows, felt pennants and rag dolls.

https://ederflag.com/pages/about-us

I wonder what other pennants they might have produced.

Nice Discovery! I have that same pennant, less the tag on the reverse.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by bradleywr

Anyone know the year of this pennant? I haven't been able to locate a similar while searching online. Thanks!

Looks to be 1950s. Would be tough to pinpoint it any further. Would you say the graphics are painted/screened on, or more like a "raised velvet"? It's difficult to tell from the provided photo.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

I think I've found a new manufacturer of pennants in the 40s-50s. Eder Mfg Co.

They're still in business today...the largest manufacturer of flags and flagpoles in the USA. But they started out making pillows, felt pennants and rag dolls.

https://ederflag.com/pages/about-us

I wonder what other pennants they might have produced.

Eder Mfg. Co. has been around for more than a century; however, until now, I've never known them to make anything other than collegiate and travel/souvenir pennants. Your discovery tells us that wasn't entirely the case.

I bought a turn of the century Notre Dame pennant with their label on it a few years ago. When I learned that the company was still in operation, I reached out and shared my purchase with them. They were pleased to see it. Today they only make flags and flag pole accessories. I asked when they last made felt novelties, and they really didn't know. She guessed they had stopped making pennants by the 1940s....

If I had to guess, this Braves pennant was likely made in 1952'ish, when everyone in Milwaukee had contracted Braves fever. I seriously doubt Eder made other pennants for other professional sports teams. Eder simply made it because they were the hometown pennant maker, and the demand existed.

Most of their labels from the 1910s look like this one, below.

Thanks for sharing!

[perezfan]

I like their 2-color tassels. Not sure I have ever seen another company employ this.... but it's certainly a nice touch.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I like their 2-color tassels. Not sure I have ever seen another company employ this.... but it's certainly a nice touch.

I agree, it’s a nice touch. Seems to be a characteristic of early 20th century pennants, you’ve seen these before (Tigers is not mine)

[thetahat]

Did anyone here win this? What a beautiful pennant. 1949 roster. (Seller had it mistakenly listed as late 50s). These roster pennants have subtle differences in the handwriting style but this one IMO is best.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I agree, it’s a nice touch. Seems to be a characteristic of early 20th century pennants, you’ve seen these before (Tigers is not mine)

Oh of course.... duh. I forgot about the oldies from the teens. Great stuff!

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I agree, it’s a nice touch. Seems to be a characteristic of early 20th century pennants, you’ve seen these before (Tigers is not mine)

Before I realized the pennant was for the Milwaukee Braves, I actually though it was older (e.g. 1920s).

Kyle, you're explanation about the Braves fever of 1952 seems plausible to me. I wonder if they used old stock to make the pennants or if they still used that design for other pennants in the 1950s. I'd love to come across a product catalog from Eder from the 1950s.

[thetahat]

Does anyone know of any pennants from any maker recognizing the 1953 World Series, or dated 1953 from either team? The only one that comes up in a google search is the rectangular Dodgers pennant similar to the ‘54 Indians that you see more frequently.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Does anyone know of any pennants from any maker recognizing the 1953 World Series, or dated 1953 from either team? The only one that comes up in a google search is the rectangular Dodgers pennant similar to the ‘54 Indians that you see more frequently.

I don't think they made one that was sold inside the stadiums. If one was ever manufactured (of the true triangular variety), it was probably made/sold by a small street vendor.

[GoCubsGo32]

Need help please, anyone know the value of this with the condition? Thank you!

[perezfan]

I’d say about $125 in the current condition. If it was EX or better, it might go as high as $175-$200. But the general wear and flawed spine will keep it in the $100 - $125 range. It’s a fairly scarce variation, and a nice pennant!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I’d say about $125 in the current condition. If it was EX or better, it might go as high as $175-$200. But the general wear and flawed spine will keep it in the $100 - $125 range. It’s a fairly scarce variation, and a nice pennant!

Co-signed. Super-rare pennant. I don’t think I’ve seen it before. Looks like Ad Flag but they have another 1959 White Sox version. Maybe WGN?

[Duluth Eskimo]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

I think I've found a new manufacturer of pennants in the 40s-50s. Eder Mfg Co.

They're still in business today...the largest manufacturer of flags and flagpoles in the USA. But they started out making pillows, felt pennants and rag dolls.

https://ederflag.com/pages/about-us

I wonder what other pennants they might have produced.

This is a very tough to find pennant. I have had it before, but only in dark blue with a red spine. One of the earliest Milwaukee pennants. Never seen a green one.

[GoCubsGo32]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I’d say about $125 in the current condition. If it was EX or better, it might go as high as $175-$200. But the general wear and flawed spine will keep it in the $100 - $125 range. It’s a fairly scarce variation, and a nice pennant!

Originally Posted by thetahat

Co-signed. Super-rare pennant. I don’t think I’ve seen it before. Looks like Ad Flag but they have another 1959 White Sox version. Maybe WGN?

Thank you both, I had a hard time finding any info on it.

It's for sale/trade if anyone is interested. I'm a Cubs fan..so this item is not my collection focus

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by GoCubsGo32

Thank you both, I had a hard time finding any info on it.

It's for sale/trade if anyone is interested. I'm a Cubs fan..so this item is not my collection focus

It’s calling your name, Greg.

[ooo-ribay]

Couldn't find any room for my AdFlag burgee, so he had to go into the garage. I had to slant it to miss the opener track but I kind of like the slanted look. This guy spent a couple of weeks buried in snow to get the folds out. Funny story about the Spring Training Welcome San Francisco Giants banner...I paid 10 bucks for it and only $5 for shipping. I think the poor seller had to spend $20+ on shipping. It's massive - 3' x 12' and made of heavy vinyl.

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Couldn't find any room for my AdFlag burgee, so he had to go into the garage. I had to slant it to miss the opener track but I kind of like the slanted look. This guy spent a couple of weeks buried in snow to get the folds out. Funny story about the Spring Training Welcome San Francisco Giants banner...I paid 10 bucks for it and only $5 for shipping. I think the poor seller had to spend $20+ on shipping. It's massive - 3' x 12' and made of heavy vinyl.

Rob,

No doubt about it. Time to buy another house. Nice touch on the burgee (I'm picking up the lingo.).

That stadium in Scottsdale is a thing of beauty.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Does anyone know of any pennants from any maker recognizing the 1953 World Series, or dated 1953 from either team? The only one that comes up in a google search is the rectangular Dodgers pennant similar to the ‘54 Indians that you see more frequently.

I don't believe one exists, Greg. You're correct: the 1953-dated felt NL/AL champs banners are your closest option.

The pickins are similarly scarce for 1952, I've noticed. There was a 1952-dated Brooklyn Dodgers WS champs (phantom) pennant made ... but was there an NL champs variant made for the bums in '52??

I think by 1953 the pennant makers and vendors were sick and tired of dated, unsold Dodgers vs. Yankees stock from prior years that they couldn't move. So they got smart and began omitting the years ... which would have served them well in '55 and '56 (and '63, '77, '78, and '81).

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Co-signed. Super-rare pennant. I don’t think I’ve seen it before. Looks like Ad Flag but they have another 1959 White Sox version. Maybe WGN?

I have that one as being by WGN; but, definitely could be by ADFLAG.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Domer05

I don't believe one exists, Greg. You're correct: the 1953-dated felt NL/AL champs banners are your closest option.

The pickins are similarly scarce for 1952, I've noticed. There was a 1952-dated Brooklyn Dodgers WS champs (phantom) pennant made ... but was there an NL champs variant made for the bums in '52??

I think by 1953 the pennant makers and vendors were sick and tired of dated, unsold Dodgers vs. Yankees stock from prior years that they couldn't move. So they got smart and began omitting the years ... which would have served them well in '55 and '56 (and '63, '77, '78, and '81).

Here are ‘52s, with and without ‘World’. But I don’t know of a NL Champs version.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Domer05

I have that one as being by WGN; but, definitely could be by ADFLAG.

Upon closer inspection, almost certainly Ad Flag. The rear stitching tells the story.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Upon closer inspection, almost certainly Ad Flag. The rear stitching tells the story.

But wait there’s more! The design around the winged sock resembles a known WGN … so basically I have no idea.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Upon closer inspection, almost certainly Ad Flag. The rear stitching tells the story.

speaking of the rear , just noticed the patch. How come there’s no stitching on the front? Would have been a candidate for “felting.”

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

But wait there’s more! The design around the winged sock resembles a known WGN … so basically I have no idea.

My “gut” also told me WGN….but I, also, have no idea.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

speaking of the rear , just noticed the patch. How come there’s no stitching on the front? Would have been a candidate for “felting.”

Ah yes I see that now. Missed it before.

Here are two other ‘59 Sox pennants with the same White Sox font. I would think Ad Flag purely for how ugly the baseball head batter is, but this is looking more and more like WGN.

[bocca001]

The baseball head batter is awesome!

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by bocca001

The baseball head batter is awesome!

Agree! I have the full-color version stashed away somewhere. A weird but cool looking mascot!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

The baseball head batter is awesome!

Baseball head man would give me nightmares if I had him hanging over my childhood bed. And what’s with home plate? Where’s he hitting? LOL

It’s still a cool pennant though, I agree …

[Duluth Eskimo]

I believe there is a dated 1953 Dodgers, but I can’t remember if it says World Series or NL champs. Full size if I remember correctly. I’ve never seen a dated Yankees 1953 as that is what I collect.

[thetahat]

Gotta share this story …

So I’ve been calming down as far as purchases, essentially buying only if it is “wall worthy”. (LOL). Heritage Auctions has a process where, for certain items, you can offer to purchase what another person won in prior auctions. Most are overpriced but I did once get a good deal on some pennants that went cheap and the owner didn’t want them anymore.

I noticed a 1951 Trench Indians scroll pennant. These are my favorites. And I’d never seen this before. Trench made a few for 1949-50 and selected scrolls for championship teams (as you know). But there’s nothing notable about the ‘51 Indians. Still a cool pennant, maybe the earliest stadium pennant, and I like how the Chief is still wearing the crown three years after the fact. Note that they left room along the bottom edge to add on “champions” notation should they win the pennant (but they finished second, 5 games out.)

I’ll add here, I have seen this with the tip cut off, into a forked design. As if to get rid of the year and sell them after ‘51. But never saw one fully intact.

The pennant was part of a large collection of items, however. From a Red Ruffing private collection. The pennant was probably just an add-on, there were medals, gave used bat, signed letter from President Reagan, etc. The lot sold for over $3K and any offer would have to exceed $4K. But I only want the darn pennant. I asked Heritage, can I make an offer to the owner on one item in the lot? (No.) Okay, can you please give the owner my email and notify him that I am interested in the pennant? I’ll even pay a commission fee. (No.) So that’s that. Kinda lame but what are ya gonna do.

The next day … this shows up on eBay and I got it at a great price. The second one I’ve ever seen (different color). What a coincidence!

[Hankphenom]

"There's a force in the universe...and all you have to do is get in touch with it."

[ooo-ribay]

You lucked out, Greg! How come I never do?

That’s a great pennant. I love the crown and the over his head ball he’s presumably going to hit. Is the “I” intersecting the “C” something you see in other Indians pennants?

[thetahat]

Yes they used that style throughout the early 50s. Here are a couple with almost identical name:

[bocca001]

Someone posted this pic on facebook. Thought I'd share it here. I don't remember seeing it before. Supposedly from Chicago.

[MK]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Someone posted this pic on facebook. Thought I'd share it here. I don't remember seeing it before. Supposedly from Chicago.

Can’t make out the year on the wall calendar but based on the pennants, I’d say early 1950s.

[ooo-ribay]

That’s a great picture! The pennants are the icing on the cake.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Someone posted this pic on facebook. Thought I'd share it here. I don't remember seeing it before. Supposedly from Chicago.

Wild picture! Makes sense that it is Chicago, all but four of those pennants hanging are from the awesome WGN series. The rest (except Indians?) are Ad Flag. Even they didn’t have the Cardinals …

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Someone posted this pic on facebook. Thought I'd share it here. I don't remember seeing it before. Supposedly from Chicago.

I love old photos like that. Thanks for sharing it.

I have an interesting challenge for the collective wisdom on this thread.

So here's the story, I bought a couple of pennants recently.

• 69 Mets Champions Photo pennant
• 1962 Yankees Champions Photo Pennant

So far so good. As I live in the UK, I use a shipping service in Florida. I get deliveries sent there and they store them for up to a month and then combine them in a single shipment to the UK.

The process works like this: package arrives at the shipping service, they open it up, take photos, identify the relevant customs category and let me know what's arrived.

Generally this works really well....occasionally it doesn't. It seems that when the 2 pennants arrived at the shipping service, somebody used a knife to open the box and cut through the pennants too. They compensated me for the damage, so that's OK. But now I'm left with 2 really nice pennants except they have "knife wounds".

Any thoughts on whether they can be repaired? and How?

I'm on the razors edge waiting for some sharp insight .

[ooo-ribay]

I didn’t think there’s much you can do.

Had they been older, “felting” might be in order (I still want to try my hand at that).

[mrreality68]

It is a shame both are really nice pennants

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

I love old photos like that. Thanks for sharing it.

I have an interesting challenge for the collective wisdom on this thread.

So here's the story, I bought a couple of pennants recently.

• 69 Mets Champions Photo pennant
• 1962 Yankees Champions Photo Pennant

So far so good. As I live in the UK, I use a shipping service in Florida. I get deliveries sent there and they store them for up to a month and then combine them in a single shipment to the UK.

The process works like this: package arrives at the shipping service, they open it up, take photos, identify the relevant customs category and let me know what's arrived.

Generally this works really well....occasionally it doesn't. It seems that when the 2 pennants arrived at the shipping service, somebody used a knife to open the box and cut through the pennants too. They compensated me for the damage, so that's OK. But now I'm left with 2 really nice pennants except they have "knife wounds".

Any thoughts on whether they can be repaired? and How?

I'm on the razors edge waiting for some sharp insight .

Nice pennants Gary. Especially like the Mets. They will display just fine as is, if I were you I wouldn’t touch them.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Nice pennants Gary. Especially like the Mets. They will display just fine as is, if I were you I wouldn’t touch them.

Thanks. I've left them as is.

I was thinking there might be a way to use fabric tape to repair it from the back. But they do display well as they are.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Thanks. I've left them as is.

I was thinking there might be a way to use fabric tape to repair it from the back. But they do display well as they are.

There's no harm in using blue "painter's tape" from behind. It would close up those gaps, would not show through at all, and peels right off without sticking to the felt or doing harm to the pennant itself.

[perezfan]

Anyone surprised by this one? A pretty strong price, to say the least...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/37386022411...p2047675.l2557

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Anyone surprised by this one? A pretty strong price, to say the least...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/37386022411...p2047675.l2557

Price is pretty crazy….especially with the usual “blue issues”….but the dude on the buffalo is way cool.