T206 Tinker To Evers To Chance Grade Opinon

[Psal3891]

I'm not looking to sell these but I would like to get them graded. I'm hoping for a psa 5-6 for the Evers, 4-5 for Tinker and 2-3 for Chance. I'm aware the Evers is the rare one and it appears to be in the best shape out of the three.

T206 Evers On Shoulder Cubs on Shirt Caporal 150 Series
T206 Tinker Off Shoulder Chicago on Shirt Piedmont 350 Series
T206 Chance Yellow Portrait Caporal 340-460 Series

[Psal3891]

Another picture

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The back

[btcarfagno]

Is that a diamond cut at the top or is trimming a possibility based on the top left corner? Could be pixilation in the photo...can't tell.

Assuming no other issues that can't be seen because of the small photos, and assuming it isn't trimmed, I would say the Evers is likely a 4. Maybe a 4.5. Nice looking card with nice eye appeal!

Tom C

[Psal3891]

From what I see id honestly say it's not trimmed.

[Psal3891]

Tinker

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Back Tinker

[pokerplyr80]

Whatever you decide to do with them, I would strongly recommend removing them from those screw-down holders immediately.

[Psal3891]

According to who I got them from they've been in there for 30+ years.
I checked on all cards and all surfaces checked out and the cards are even cleaner then I thought. I agree, I never use these cases but it's worked this long for them I'm not gonna change it up now. I plan on sending them into psa real soon anyway.

[obcmac]

If you're new to pre-war...I'd suggest the following rules.

1. If you're buying, the card is trimmed...if you're selling, it's...diamond cut/measures short.

2. Don't believe what anybody is telling you about the card...and trust your own judgement.

I love the cards you posted...but they look trimmed to me. Plenty of trimmed cards get holdered...buy the cards you like and don't worry about what someone else says about them.

Good luck.

Mac

[Psal3891]

Maybe it's the size of the picture making some of you believe it's trimmed but honestly there's no way. These belonged to someone's grandparents for a lifetime. The cards are in that good of condition it may make you think it's trimmed.

[Sean]

The Evers could be a diamond cut.With those corner I think it would get a PSA 4, assuming that it isn't trimmed.

Tinker looks like PSA 3.

[scooter729]

Just an FYI (and not a statement about your cards at all).....

Many cards were trimmed by grandparents many, many years ago. There was no malicious intent by any means, but cards were trimmed for a myriad of reasons by prior generations, including to eliminate advertisements, make them a slightly smaller size to fit in a photo album or sleeve, cut off a team notation when the player joined a new team, etc.

T206's specifically are known to have come in slightly different sizes, so many of them were trimmed a century ago, to cut down the larger ones so they would be the same size as the others.

Again, not judging your cards at all, but just explaining why a card handed down from an older generation could indeed be trimmed.

[Psal3891]

I understand, you guys can call it trimmed but if you were able to see a full size image I promise you will believe different. ITS NOT TRIMMED I'm willing to send pictures of the card via text message if anyone's interested. Message me

[Psal3891]

These lousy photos that are getting uploaded do not pay any justice. What's the point in attachments if the quality is so bad lol

[iwantitiwinit]

Evers looks like a PSA 4, corners especially the upper right too weak for a higher grade in my opinion. On the Tinker ID say PSA 3 or 3mk if that's pen in the left border. Hope u didn't pay PSA 5 price for the evers. Again just my opinion hope it works out for you and all this is assuming they r not trimmed.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Psal3891

I understand, you guys can call it trimmed but if you were able to see a full size image I promise you will believe different. ITS NOT TRIMMED I'm willing to send pictures of the card via text message if anyone's interested. Message me

We're not saying that it's trimmed, only that without the cards in hand we can't be sure.

[Psal3891]

Honestly I paid nearly nothing for these. I paid $350for this guys whole collection lol. This is a small portion of what i got from him. There's was a hole binder from his grandfather. Cards like Goudey 1935 Jimmy foxx. Rizzuto 48 bowman rookie. If I posted everything I got from his kid you all will probably hate me lol. A 52 topps Mahoney that looks like it can honestly be a 9. I got two jeter autos from 2000, a jeter signed ball. T206 Murray batting. With everything he had I just can't see this card being trimmed. They've been in these cases before psa was even grading cards. I have no reason to make things up. I JUST WANT SOMEONE TO BELIEVE ME a 68 mantle that no less then an 8. Someone message me their number for quality pictures lol

[Luke]

Evers is probably not a 4. Corners have too much wear. It might get an SGC 50, but I'd bet against a PSA 4. Most likely a 3. Tinker also looks like a 3 but a 3.5 for either wouldn't shock me. I don't see anything to suggest trimming.

[Psal3891]

The 54 Rizzuto is an 8 with out a doubt. Same with mantle 68. The 52 Mahoney is redicously sharp. Both those jeter cards are $250 each not to mention the Budig signed jeter ball. Not even joking I almost left with his mantle ball.

[Psal3891]

Evers is atleast a 4 lol. Have you seen the caporal Evers 3s? Mine blows it away lol

[Psal3891]

Don't forget to look at the back of the Caporal Evers. It's minty. I understand corners show wear but the edges, centering and surface are tremendous compared to what I've seen as 3s lol absolutely no creases or wrinkles. STOP low balling me with the 3s 🙄 Lol

[Psal3891]

I've seen 3s with creases and terrible edge wear with about the same corners and not as good surface. How would mine be a 3.
Cmon bub lol

[Psal3891]

Originally Posted by iwantitiwinit

Evers looks like a PSA 4, corners especially the upper right too weak for a higher grade in my opinion. On the Tinker ID say PSA 3 or 3mk if that's pen in the left border. Hope u didn't pay PSA 5 price for the evers. Again just my opinion hope it works out for you and all this is assuming they r not trimmed.

That's not on the card it's on the case

[Mdmtx]

If you know the grade it's going to receive, why ask? Nice collection. Evers is a nice 3.5 imo

Mark

[clydepepper]

Most of them look sideways to me.


oh...and my Mom would say to clean your nails.

[Psal3891]

I'm just surprised people are saying 3 or 3.5. I thought with the centering and the clean back it was for sure a minimum 4. I want to show better pictures so you can see why.

[Psal3891]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Most of them look sideways to me.


oh...and my Mom would say to clean your nails.

Lol your right my nails can use some grooming, or a weed wacker

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Psal3891

I JUST WANT SOMEONE TO BELIEVE ME

If you posted better pictures and quit trying to argue with everyone it would really help.

[Psal3891]

Originally Posted by bnorth

If you posted better pictures and quit trying to argue with everyone it would really help.

Lol good point, would using a computer increase the quality of my images? Silly ? But I'm really new to this

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Psal3891

Lol good point, would using a computer increase the quality of my images? Silly ? But I'm really new to this

What are you taking the pictures with?

[scooter729]

We're not telling you what the grades are - we are speculating, because the pictures are bad. No one can tell a thing with these pictures.

If you have a scanner, that would give a better idea of what the cards look like. Right now, with these bad pictures from a mile away, we may as well be trying to guess at whether it's a monster in Loch Ness.

Put it this way - would you buy a card based on the quality of these pictures? Then don't expect definitive opinions based on them.

[vintagerookies51]

Originally Posted by Psal3891

I'm just surprised people are saying 3 or 3.5. I thought with the centering and the clean back it was for sure a minimum 4. I want to show better pictures so you can see why.

It definitely looks nice enough to get a 4, but without a quality scan I can't tell how dinged the corners are. Centering and clean back doesn't guarantee it a 4. If the corners are decent enough, however, I'd say it has a good chance.

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by Psal3891

Lol good point, would using a computer increase the quality of my images? Silly ? But I'm really new to this

Rampant paranoia. The hobby will do that to you.

[Psal3891]

Originally Posted by bnorth

What are you taking the pictures with?

iPhone. They look great on my phone. I'll go ahead an upload them to my computer then post them up again see if that helps.

[Psal3891]

Originally Posted by scooter729

We're not telling you what the grades are - we are speculating, because the pictures are bad. No one can tell a thing with these pictures.

If you have a scanner, that would give a better idea of what the cards look like. Right now, with these bad pictures from a mile away, we may as well be trying to guess at whether it's a monster in Loch Ness.

Put it this way - would you buy a card based on the quality of these pictures? Then don't expect definitive opinions based on them.

Hahaha I understand, let me go ahead and upload them to my computer. Honestly thanks everyone for all the quick responses. Your all great

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Psal3891

iPhone. They look great on my phone. I'll go ahead an upload them to my computer then post them up again see if that helps.

Take the pictures closer to the card and straight on instead of at an angle. You can crop them to get rid of everything that is not the card also.

[scooter729]

Good thing the old Adrian 15 post per day rule isn't in effect here.

#2

[Psal3891]

Alright I hope this does the job

[Psal3891]

Back

[Psal3891]

The marking along his face is on the case and the corner everyone keeps calling a diamond cut is not cut its just a nicer corner then the others. No one truly thinks that it cant be a 4.5-5? I cant believe it.

[GasHouseGang]

Originally Posted by Psal3891

The marking along his face is on the case and the corner everyone keeps calling a diamond cut is not cut its just a nicer corner then the others. No one truly thinks that it cant be a 4.5-5? I cant believe it.

Sure, it could be. Submit it and prove them all wrong. Our opinions don't really matter, only the grader you get the day you submit.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Psal3891

The marking along his face is on the case and the corner everyone keeps calling a diamond cut is not cut its just a nicer corner then the others. No one truly thinks that it cant be a 4.5-5? I cant believe it.

do u understand what a diamond cut is?

[T206Collector]

Definitely a diamond cut, but looks like a really great card. I'd say PSA will judge you based on the corners and keep you under a 5; but that SGC would reward you with an SGC 60.

[Psal3891]

Now I do, bnorth just explained to me what it is but it's not trimmed as much as you all wish it was, it's not.

[Psal3891]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

Definitely a diamond cut, but looks like a really great card. I'd say PSA will judge you based on the corners and keep you under a 5; but that SGC would reward you with an SGC 60.

I like what I'm hearing 👍🏻💯

[vintagetoppsguy]

The Evers is not diamond cut. The top and bottom borders each slope a little bit - that is not a diamond cut. For more information about diamond cuts and some good examples, see the thread below. This type of cut is sometimes referred to as a "caramel cut" because it it more common on certain caramel cards.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=135892

[Psal3891]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

The Evers is not diamond cut. The top and bottom borders each slope a little bit - that is not a diamond cut. For more information about diamond cuts and some good examples, see the thread below. This type of cut is sometimes referred to as a "caramel cut" because it it more common on certain caramel cards.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=135892

Ok that works for me, as long as it's not trimmed were good to go. What would you say psa would grade this? I've never submitted anything before so I'm just curious if it's worth it.

[bnorth]

Here are some better pics of the OP's cards.

[vintagetoppsguy]

After seeing the larger scans, my opinion is a 3.5 to 4 on the Evers. Still too hard to tell on the Tinker. It looks like it has some kind of mark or surface indention on the left border, just above the bat. I can't tell if it's on the card or the holder. If it's on the card, I'll say a 2.5 or 3.