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I get it, its nasty, but it should be up to the owners to decide. What's next, not serving regular soda due to diabetes? They tried!
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This is such a great counterargument. If public health is so important, why aren't all unhealthy things outlawed?
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Slippery slope argument. I don't buy it. The reason for smoking bans is to protect others, not to save people from themselves.
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Just as you call Fauci an "expert" (rather than an expert) because you don't like what you hear from him, contributions to the discussion which are not to your liking are "illegitimate"?
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I call Fauci an "expert" because he botched AIDS, is connected to the Wuhan Lab, and has flip flopped more than a pancake, all the whole collecting the largest taxpayer funded paycheck in our government.
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How are celebrities/figureheads surviving such a deadly virus, all the while continuing to make movies, party, make music, etc.? I'm not saying they're necessarily "spared" but rather the fallacy of COVID being so deadly, warranting such a drastic response.
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I think you could at least make an argument masks protect others from contagious people, not just protect the wearer.
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It should be noted that the majority of pro mask people don't argue specifically on N95 masks.
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I assume you meant "sees fit"... the "upheaval" in that case would be entirely the decision of the employee. They have the freedom to escape such "tyranny" by going to work wherever they want, including private businesses owned and operated by people who won't require masks or vaccinations.
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Isn't it? We've been hearing for years now how "nobody wants to work" anymore...
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Odd trump and Biden both best covid in a weekend. They must have the really good medication, or maybe some extra vaccines. I seriously wonder how good the flu shot is/was. I never heard it reduced the symptoms of the flu, again I only took it once or twice in my life as I am ot high risk. Nobody wants to get sick, but we do, and sometimes we die from it, or something else.
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To be consistent, you should be asking if people should have the right to smoke at home, or in the privacy of their own car.
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The majority of deaths were found to have multiple underlying health issues before COVID, no? I'm not saying they didn't die of COVID, but the common cold is a threat to these people as well. The Rep from Texas in the list you sent had lung cancer previously; did we shut society down to help prevent him from catching pneumonia or any other respiratory virus? Could mistreatment (ventilators) once these people caught COVID have been a factor in the deaths? How about how NY handled the nursing homes?
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Many people have downplayed the virus and one of the things we always hear is that deaths are exaggerated due to preexisting conditions. And in many cases it hasn't been a big jump from that to blaming the victims.
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What it is, is this, pure and simple. Some people value and respect their individual freedoms and liberties more than others, while some people feel more secure being regulated, believing the regulators are doing so "for their own good." Some regulation is clearly necessary, but on that scale, people who are mostly on the freedom side will more consistently oppose big government, while people on the regulate side will be more likely to support big government and the nanny state. The tedious gun thread is Exhibit A. Last edited by Mark17; 08-09-2022 at 12:38 PM. |
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Or is accountability no longer a thing in society, like Big Pharma not being responsible for any negative side effects of their "vaccines"?
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I don't know. For each individual, do you take a case history to decide what is their "fault"? Who makes the judgment after you take the case history? And suppose you decide it is the person's own "fault," then what? Say sorry we aren't paying for anything, tough luck? Do we take care only of the virtuous?
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Letting people die and not implementing life-altering mandates are two entirely separate issues.
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You are young and idealistic, I think. For many people, unhealthy habits are a way to cope with significant and even severe life stress. It's easy to be judgmental, but better to be compassionate.
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Also, who are you to say I'm not compassionate, or others that share a similar point of view as me?
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The strawman, that people who value personal freedom want ZERO laws and regulations, is really old. You're smarter than to say or imply that.
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Suggesting accountability for problems resulting from poor lifestyle choices does not strike me as very compassionate. "Eating like crap" sounds very judgmental.
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Accountability for problems resulting from poor lifestyle choices is simply accepting facts. Suggesting better lifestyle choices because I want to see people thrive would be pretty caring/compassionate, no? Not wanting to see the lives of hundreds of millions effected by mandates is pretty caring/compassionate, no? Caring about the development of our youth is pretty compassionate, no?
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It seems to me, pointing out such fatalities is exactly what you and others do, to base your support for mandatory seatbelt laws. Is that person accountable for their own decision? If not, who? |
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I read the whole post. What you said about installing metal detectors and armed guards in every school sounds to me like a logical argument in favor of getting vaccinated and wearing a facemask. Why is it that those who "value and respect their individual freedoms and liberties more than others" are willing to tolerate infringements in some cases but not others? Those school safety measures are no more guaranteed to save lives than wearing a mask. Why is one an acceptable "inconvenience" and not the other?
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So someone can do whatever they want, and you'll bend over backwards to bail them out?
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Straw man argument, I never said that, but taking it on its terms better that than imposing your definition of virtue as a requirement to be helped.
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You mean suggesting healthier lifestyles and help people become the best version of themselves is frowned upon?
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Helping them by cutting them off if they don't comply? Anyhow sounds pretty paternalistic from someone who was just discoursing on individual freedom.
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Edit: OK, I think I understand what you mean now. I'd be interested to hear your ideas about say, a few example viewpoints on specific issues from across the spectrum that you are proposing. (Those that you believe do exist among those who are not at the "extremes")
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When did I EVER suggest cutting them off if they don't comply?
Which is ironic by the way, cause that's EXACTLY what the pro-mask/COVID fear crowd does to the unvaxxed/unmasked crowd.
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So when you say people who make bad lifestyle choices should be accountable, and you surely said that, what do you mean?
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I will try to explain the "spectrum" concept, which is basic, if you will try to comprehend. One extreme position would be to oppose all laws and regulations of all kinds, in the name of absolute personal freedom. No Americans I've ever heard of (besides Manson, maybe) favor this. The opposite extreme position would be for government to completely own us, like North Korea, where we would have no real personal freedom. With me so far? Okay, with those as the endpoints, all of us are in between. That is the "spectrum" we are on. Some of us are closer to one end or the other. So, a person who favors seat belt and helmet requirements, and vaccination requirements, and facemask requirements, is also more likely to favor increased gun control laws. That doesn't mean they necessarily favor ALL laws, regulations, mandates, but their thinking generally leads them to support such measures. A person who pushes back on government mandates, whether it be seatbelt or helmet laws, vaccinations, masks, unreasonable or nonsensical gun laws, or things that infringe on individual rights guaranteed under the Constitution, will tend to be on that side of issues. Tend to be, but not always. For example, I think school infrastructure could include metal detectors to filter out weapons, like knives and guns. I would oppose strip-searching every student on a daily basis. This isn't being inconsistent because it isn't an all-or-nothing scenario. It's my personal opinion that some measures are reasonable while others cross the line. Others will of course disagree, as their view may come from being elsewhere on that "spectrum." |
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Actions have consequences. My life, along with millions of other lives, shouldn't be negatively affected by that individual's choice(s) in life. They should still receive care, but society shouldn't shutdown.
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That seems different from holding them "accountable" which you said repeatedly.
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That doesn't mean not care for them. It simply means not ruining lives of others in the process.
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The only part of this that still doesn't make sense to me is the "government to completely own us, like North Korea, where we would have no real personal freedom". I understand that you are proposing it as essentially a hypothetical, but, in your mind, what would that actually look like? Under your theory, one who self-selects as the former of the two examples is seemingly choosing to land in a place on the spectrum that is closer to that "North Korea" example, but I wonder if anyone would actually do that. Fleshing out the "North Korea" extreme would be one way of looking closer at that.
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He sure did. He was, dare I say, iconic.
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Your point is as meaningless as saying we can't count the victims of 9-11 because some of them could have died that day anyway. Insurance companies charge higher rates (or deny coverage) for smokers, obesity, heart disease and other factors. I say anyone who refuses to get vaccinated or take recommended actions to protect others in society pays for their treatment. (Same goes for no helmet or seatbelt. BILLIONS of cost passed on to the rest of us yearly). Or should the 'accountability for their actions' not apply?
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And you also say you've spoken with mental health workers and teaching professionals. Well, I actually work with mental health workers and doctors who teach in a medical school so they are health professionals as well as educators. I have colleagues there that had committed suicide during the pandemic. I have colleagues there that got burned out after many of them dealt with tons of patients, several of whom recanted their stupidity about being anti-vax and anti-mask on their deathbeds. I will tell you that my burned-out colleagues NEVER cited mask-wearing or CO2 levels as the issue. My colleague that committed suicide did not do so over having to actually wear a mask. One last thing....I'm personally not offended by you calling a mask a "face diaper." Calling it that says more about you than about me, but hey, you seem to prefer to read into things and form your own opinions, so you keep being you. But they are masks, and they meant to keep from spreading germs, rather than doing what diapers are supposed to do. And if you are so concerned about CO2, then kindly allow your next surgical team to perform surgery on you with a mask. Some of my colleagues work long shifts in the ER, so maybe you should have a nice talk with them and allow them to eliminate an unproven or incredibly small risk of approaching "harmful" CO2 levels as they operate on you. Last edited by jethrod3; 08-09-2022 at 03:00 PM. |
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