1947 BOND BREAD and its "imposters"....show us your cards ?

[Pat R]

I don't understand why people keep blaming the grading companies for having the year wrong on the Leaf cards.
They were referred to as 1948 Leaf long before the grading companies existed.

PSA won't grade any card that isn't cataloged and they refer to the catalogs
for the year of issue. What are they supposed to do with the thousands that
are already graded as 1948?

: What types of cards and tickets does PSA authenticate/grade?
A: PSA will grade most items that are cataloged in major publications including, but not limited to, the Sports Market Report (SMR) and the Standard Catalog by Krause. PSA also grades major sporting event tickets such as those from the MLB regular season, All-Star games, Playoffs, World Series, NFL regular season, Super Bowl, NBA regular season, NCAA Finals, etc. Since entertainment tickets are serviced on a case-by-case basis, please contact Customer Service to confirm if we can grade the item you wish to submit. We will not grade high school tickets, audit or gate stubs, fan tickets issued after the event, or Ticketmaster-issued sporting event tickets.
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Some of the standard catalogs still list them as 1948 in their index this
is the 2016 edition

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[tedzan]

Jim Beckett contacted me in 1997 regarding the 1949 LEAF set. Jim started identifying this set as a 1949 issue in
his 1998 BECKETT Baseball Card Price Guide,.
Prior to 1998, Beckett listed this set as a 1948/1949 issue.

The STANDARD CATALOG of VINTAGE BASEBALL CARDS (by Bob Lemke) identifies the 1949 LEAF as a 1949 issue.


I don't understand what your problem is ?


TED Z

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[abctoo]

Originally Posted by Pat R

I don't understand why people keep blaming the grading companies for having the year wrong on the Leaf cards.
They were referred to as 1948 Leaf long before the grading companies existed.

The SCD catalog was edited by Bob Lemke until he passed away in 2017. Lemke was no stranger to net54baseball and even praised the work of many here.





It cannot be said he didn't know about Ted's 2009 research into the Leaf cards. Lemke's blog often talked about Jackie Robinson cards, but he carefully avoided discussing anything about whether the Leaf set was issued in 1948 or 1949. The catalog he edited for years initially called it a 1948-49 set.

To see just how far SCD is concerned about Jackie Robinson and the Bond Bread issue, see its August 2, 2020 post at https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...ines-1947-set/

Catalogs often contain mistakes which they should correct, but often merely repeat the same wrong information they had been publishing in prior editions. They might modify prices in a listing, but often that is merely a simple percentage of increase or decrease to the value of common cards. They don't want to go the expense of making corrections. Most catalogs have a disclaimer that it's merely a guide and they do not guarantee the accuracy.

But you a correct, erroneous catalog information does significantly hurt the hobby.

On the other hand, grading card services claim to authenticate cards. Many obscure cards they identify aren't even in a catalog. There is a difference between catalogues that let you know they may contain inaccuracies and companies that claim to be experts.

The pictures of the SCD catalogues above were previously posted in another net54baseball thread in January 2017 as part of a tribute to Bob Lemke when he passed on.

Copyright 2020, by Michael Fried, P.O. Box 27521, Oakland, California 94602-0521

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by abctoo

It cannot be said he didn't know about Ted's 2009 research into the Leaf cards. Lemke's blog often talked about Jackie Robinson cards, but he carefully avoided discussing anything about whether the Leaf set was issued in 1948 or 1949. The catalog he edited for years calls it a 1948 set.

WRONG !....and, do I have to go and dig up Bob Lemke's Standard Catalogs to prove to you (and the other naysayers) that Bob listed the LEAF BB set as a 1949 issue for many
years now ?
For example (off the top of my head), I know for sure that the 2011 edition identifies the cards in this set as an 1949 issue.

I've known Bob Lemke since 1981, when he published mine and Ralph Triplette's 1949 BOWMAN article in his Baseball Cards Magazine. An article which enlightened the hobby on
the complexity of this BOWMAN set.

Subsequently, Bob published 5 more of my articles regarding BOWMAN BB and FB sets (1948 - 1953).

So, I don't need you to lecture me regarding Bob Lemke. Bob and I were great friends, who kept in touch with each other for many years.

GOD Bless Bob's soul.



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TED Z

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[ALR-bishop]

I have not kept my oldest versions of the Standard Catalog but do keep the 2011 issue because it was the last one that included post 80 issues. As Ted mentions it does list it as a 49 issue. My newest Catalog is 2014, which may have been the last print edition, edited by Tom Bartsch. It also lists it as 49

I lost a good friend and and hobby lost a great resource when Bob Lemke passed

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

I have not kept my oldest versions of the Standard Catalog but do keep the 2011 issue because it was the last one that included post 80 issues. As Ted mentions it does list it as a 49 issue. My newest Catalog is 2014, which may have been the last print edition, edited by Tom Bartsch. It also lists it as 49

I lost a good friend and and hobby lost a great resource when Bob Lemke passed

Hi Al
You and I have the same Standard Catalog editions (2011 and 2014). Here is the Copyright date and the 1949 LEAF listing in the 2011 issue (the 2014 edition is exactly
the same....1949 LEAF.

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Furthermore, here is the Beckett 1998 edition, which confirms the information I provided in Post #342 in this thread.

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Originally Posted by tedzan

Jim Beckett contacted me in 1997 regarding the 1949 LEAF set. Jim started identifying this set as a 1949 issue in
his 1998 BECKETT Baseball Card Price Guide.

Prior to 1998, Beckett listed this set as a 1948/1949 issue.



TED Z

T206 Reference
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[abctoo]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi Al
You and I have the same Standard Catalog editions (2011 and 2014). Here is the Copyright date and the 1949 LEAF listing in the 2011 issue (the 2014 edition is exactly
the same....1949 LEAF. . . .

Furthermore, here is the Beckett 1998 edition, which confirms the information I provided in Post #342 in this thread. . . .

Ted, there is no question about many miscalling the issue date of the Leaf set as 1948 and not 1949, nor of the efforts you have undertaken to try to straighten it out since the last century.

My question here in this Bond Bread thread is, "What do any of us do about what OldCardboard says about "1947 D305 Bond Bread" cards ( https://oldcardboard.com/d/d305/d305.asp?cardsetID=1003 ) and what Sports Collector's Digest now says in its August 2, 2020 edition about the same cards ( https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...ines-1947-set/ )?

[tedzan]

OK guys,

Al Richter and I have provided sufficient evidence with Jim Beckett's and Bob Lemke's BB card publications that confirm the 1949 LEAF date has been listed
in their Catalogs as far back as 1998.
Furthermore, these publications also confirm the LEAF HOFer Premiums as a 1949 issue even before 1998. And, it was known back then that the LEAF cards
and HOFer Premiums were issued in the same vendor boxes. PSA and SGC could have corrected their egregious mistakes at least 22 years ago.


Here is my 2005 Standard Catalog of Vintage Baseball Cards (by Bob Lemke).

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TED Z

T206 Reference
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[abctoo]

Originally Posted by tedzan

I've known Bob Lemke since 1981, when he published mine and Ralph Triplette's 1949 BOWMAN article in his Baseball Cards Magazine. An article which enlightened the hobby on the complexity of this BOWMAN set.

Subsequently, Bob published 5 more of my articles regarding BOWMAN BB and FB sets (1948 - 1953).

So, I don't need you to lecture me regarding Bob Lemke. Bob and I were great friends, who kept in touch with each other for many years.

GOD Bless Bob's soul.

Ted, my 1st edition of the Standard Catalog edited by Dan Albaugh says its a 1948/49 Leaf set. See scan below.



You're screaming at me when you missed the key point of what was written.

If you had looked at my reference to the 2020 SCD article on Bond Bread cards (https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...ines-1947-set/), you would have seen an article that started out looking good. But if you had read a little further, you would see it saying Bond Bread insert cards come with both round and square corners. That's not Bob Lemke's public legacy.

I'm not lecturing you on Bob Lemke. He did a tremendous amount to preserve and protect the hobby . . . and is missed.

I am not diminishing his extensive efforts by pointing out that in a couple of his blogs he asserted that Bond Bread cards were made by AARCO, the playing card company, basing on his assertion that playing cards have round corners and so do Bond Bread package inserts.

Did you read the printed text next to the inscription Bob Lemke wrote to Leon on the inside cover page of Lemke's catalog pictured a little above?

It says:

"To never changed any of his opinions, never correct any of his mistakes:
and he who was never wise enough to find mistakes in himself,
will not be charitable enough to excuse them in others." -- Anonymous

There's a lot of cards out there besides those people associate with Bond Bread. But am I wrong in pointing out that he called the perforated dual sided cards "Bond Bread" and "Hess Shoe" cards when we all have learned they are an Elgee product?

Your beef is not with me. The question is, what can we all do together to get the grading card company experts from calling all the lookalikes as Bond Bread cards?

Mike

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by abctoo

It cannot be said he didn't know about Ted's 2009 research into the Leaf cards. Lemke's blog often talked about Jackie Robinson cards, but he carefully avoided discussing anything about whether the Leaf set was issued in 1948 or 1949. The catalog he edited for years calls it a 1948 set.

Why did you change this date (1948) on your original statement in your Post #343 ? ?

You clearly stated 1948, which tells me you don't know what you are talking about !

Bob Lemke and I discussed a lot of BB (and FB) card sets over the years since 1981.
Bob agreed with me regarding the 1949 issue date of the Baseball LEAF set, after
I pointed out that the Lou Boudreau card stating his MVP award in it's bio. Which
occurred in mid-December of 1948.

Furthermore, I pointed out that LEAF switched to GRAY cardboard stock in 1949 for all their Sportscards.


TED Z

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[abctoo]

Ted, I do not have a beef with you. But have you lately seen what Old Cardboard says about "1947 D305 Bond Bread" cards?

Today the website reads:

Set Summary

Produced in 1947 by Homogenized Bond Bread
Unnumbered, borderless set printed in black and white
Facsimile autograph is only labeling on each card front
Originally distributed with rounded corners and blank backs
Large stash found in 1980's with square corner variations
Cards (both rounded & square) often found in high grade
Compare Vern Stephens cards for each variation below

[showing both round (die-cut) and square corner cards]

https://oldcardboard.com/d/d305/d305.asp?cardsetID=1003

If you click on the links on that webpage to the Gallery, you see both round and square corner cards intermittently pictured. And they don't address the question of Sport Star Subjects cards that exist today.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Jim Beckett contacted me in 1997 regarding the 1949 LEAF set. Jim started identifying this set as a 1949 issue in
his 1998 BECKETT Baseball Card Price Guide,.
Prior to 1998, Beckett listed this set as a 1948/1949 issue.

The STANDARD CATALOG of VINTAGE BASEBALL CARDS (by Bob Lemke) identifies the 1949 LEAF as a 1949 issue.


I don't understand what your problem is ?


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

I have not kept my oldest versions of the Standard Catalog but do keep the 2011 issue because it was the last one that included post 80 issues. As Ted mentions it does list it as a 49 issue. My newest Catalog is 2014, which may have been the last print edition, edited by Tom Bartsch. It also lists it as 49

I lost a good friend and and hobby lost a great resource when Bob Lemke passed

The pictures I posted are from my copy of the 2016/17 SCD catalog

[ALR-bishop]

Pat— Have there been editions subsequent to that one ?