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Old 10-28-2021, 03:19 PM
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I can remember when this was a "hobby". People having fun collecting stuff. A little friendly competition in bidding here and there. Then there's the business side of this hobby. I don't begrudge people making a few bucks, but this is just obscene. My only guess is that someone is trying to play a registry game here.

Card sells for $316 on ebay and then ten days later it's listed on ebay for more than 4x the purchase price.

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Old 10-28-2021, 03:28 PM
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You are correct but sadly not surprising.

A lot of great cards at all price levels on eBay but most are well over priced by a factor of 3 or 4.

It seems like

1. The sellers are hoping there are “suckers out there” waiting to way over pay
Or
2. It is a way for people to show their collection. Think of how many cards you may have seen on eBay that have been there for years. And even funnier as the market value goes up they raise their prices even higher so it is well above the market price so no one wants to pay.
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Old 10-28-2021, 03:29 PM
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Dean has 8-10 employees' salaries to cover....based on his other offerings, this is a mild mark-up.
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Old 10-28-2021, 03:41 PM
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The much bigger offense is when new sellers pop up selling 1990 Donruss Ken Griffey Junior cards for $250. I see that sort of thing all the time. I wonder if they are bots.

As for Deans, yeah their prices are consistently awful, but someone must be paying them. It is odd though as I find not too many folks who pay good money for vintage are that clueless about market pricing.
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Old 10-28-2021, 03:42 PM
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See same exact thing every week with photos. Someone buys a type 1 photo from one of the AHs for $1700 on Saturday night and all of a sudden its on eBay for $4500. One guy seems to buy half the nice photos on the market. Cool model if it puts change in the jar, but once I see someone operating that way I assume nothing is fairly priced and pay a lot less attention to them moving forward.
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Yep Dean follows under Category one trying to find a sucker to pay the high prices and yet he seems to move a lot of cards

This person has some great cards on ebay (for YEARS) and seems to more want to display them then sell them.

I guess each their own. It is there right to do as they chose and the consumer to do as they chose but I agree I feel sorry for those uneducated in the collection world that over over over pay
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1914 Boston Garter Joe Jackson
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Yep Dean follows under Category one trying to find a sucker to pay the high prices and yet he seems to move a lot of cards

This person has some great cards on ebay (for YEARS) and seems to more want to display them then sell them.

I guess each their own. It is there right to do as they chose and the consumer to do as they chose but I agree I feel sorry for those uneducated in the collection world that over over over pay
I remember when you had to pay money to list on eBay. Was a different world. Now people get 100s (1000s?) of free listings.
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I remember when you had to pay money to list on eBay. Was a different world. Now people get 100s (1000s?) of free listings.
I have a Premium store and I get 10,000 free BIN listings and 500 free auction listings per month.
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Dean must certainly have a cadre of loyal and rich customers. His overheads can't be cheap He certainly must be off-loading at prices few on this Board would pay. What's his charm?
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There are definitely some sellers I wish I could exclude from my "t206" search on eBay. It gets annoying when they re-list hundreds of cards at ridiculous prices, and I now have to sift through all that...however, this sometimes presents an opportunity on a card that is a good deal that gets lost in the mix.
Outside of the occasional great buy-it-nows that pop up (like the Hindu PSA Merkle portrait I snagged the other day for $2oo) I feel like patience and waiting for auction style listings (with reasonable opening bid prices) is the best way to go.
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He won a 1967 Topps Punch Out Jim Wynn PSA 6 on eBay for $200-$300 a year or two ago and immediately relisted it for $760, needless to say it’s still available. Toppsaholic uses the same business model.
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I feel like patience and waiting for auction style listings (with reasonable opening bid prices) is the best way to go.
Yes, that is what I do too. Do a search and then filter by auction listings...everyone's BIN prices are outrageous right now.
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You are correct but sadly not surprising.

A lot of great cards at all price levels on eBay but most are well over priced by a factor of 3 or 4.

It seems like

1. The sellers are hoping there are “suckers out there” waiting to way over pay
Or
2. It is a way for people to show their collection. Think of how many cards you may have seen on eBay that have been there for years. And even funnier as the market value goes up they raise their prices even higher so it is well above the market price so no one wants to pay.
This is bonkers in the ticket realm as well. There are some notorious ones. There is also a lot of schill bidding going on I am sure. When greed gets into the hobby and people are making lots of money, ethics goes out the window.
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There are definitely some sellers I wish I could exclude from my "t206" search on eBay.
Oh, yes. One seller in particular.

Does Dean actually ever sell anything?
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Old 10-28-2021, 06:29 PM
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I can remember when this was a "hobby". People having fun collecting stuff. A little friendly competition in bidding here and there. Then there's the business side of this hobby. I don't begrudge people making a few bucks, but this is just obscene. My only guess is that someone is trying to play a registry game here.

Card sells for $316 on ebay and then ten days later it's listed on ebay for more than 4x the purchase price.
It isn't a hobby, you are quite right. It is a very selective club, clique if you will, of very well-heeled investors and speculators, who can't wait to post their latest multi-thousand-dollar card pick-up and pat themselves, and others in the clique, on the back in congratulations. Every now and then some discussion or forum threads come along that seem hobby related. But in reality the hobby is long gone.
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It's still the same hobby to me as it was when I was a kid. Whether I'm trading 10 1978 Eddie Murray's for a 62 Mays, or buying a card I want at Dean's for 5x what he just paid, it's for fun.

N172's are all over the map in price.

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You can include or exclude one or more sellers using the 'Advanced' link to the right of the blue Search button.

Down at or near the bottom is the Sellers section where you can include or exclude sellers - my searches have had both Deans and yepbg excluded for quite a few years now.

T207 search counts dropped from over 1200 to ~700 without any other filtering.
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Does Dean actually ever sell anything?
You can exclude sellers you know. To the right of the ebay search bar there is an Advanced Search button. Click that and you will get a new page of search options and towards the bottom there is a section where you can exclude sellers by name.

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You can exclude sellers you know. To the right of the ebay search bar there is an Advanced Search button. Click that and you will get a new page of search options and towards the bottom there is a section where you can exclude sellers by name.

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Agreed some excellent learnings thanks
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This is bonkers in the ticket realm as well. There are some notorious ones. There is also a lot of schill bidding going on I am sure. When greed gets into the hobby and people are making lots of money, ethics goes out the window.
whatever do you mean.....

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No point getting all bunged up just because some jackhole is offering a card way above market. Just don't buy it and another will come along. Unless it is rare, in which case the seller can pretty much ask whatever he wants and hold out for someone who wants it bad enough to pay it.
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