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Collector's Association
Posted By: Ryan Christoff
Is anyone interested in forming some kind of collector's association in order to clean up the hobby regarding trimmed cards being graded by the major grading companies? |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: leon
I don't think anyone is actually "against" this idea. The goals, enforcement, and formation seem to be stumbling blocks which are difficult to surpass. I still argue, regardless of what anyone says, the main problem is at the high end of the graded spectrum. I know of a few cards I own, which are vg'ish (raw) that have had creases worked on with a spoon. They are shiny looking....and I don't care....best regards |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: JimCrandell
Ryan, |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
I am, if it means that all Collector's Association members would learn about cards so that they could identify and evaluate cards on their own, if members would always offer full refunds for cards sold as a transaction safeguard where card authenticity or condition was in doubt, if members would boycott all slabbing business, and if members would break their slabbed cards out returning them to the fresh air. |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: JimCrandell
Barry, |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: Ryan Christoff
Be sure to fry the breaded post before eating it. |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: barrysloate
Looks like we may have another long day here. |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: JimCrandell
We were just going to have you take names Barry. |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: Joe D.
This forum already is a collector's association. |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: barrysloate
I think Joe hit the nail on the head. We already have the attention of 1000+ avid and casual collectors who lurk and post on this board daily. We can bring up and deal with any issue concerning the hobby. We don't need total agreement, just participation. |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: Wesley
That is fine but does not address the problems brought up in Ryan's opening post. How does this clean up the hobby regarding trimmed cards being graded by the major grading companies? |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: JimCrandell
Barry, |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: leon
I agree. If anyone doesn't think that this board is somewhat of a watchdog itself, just let an altered card be sold in a public format, without full disclosure. I would guess many decisions in the hobby are swayed due to public scrutiny from the Net54 Vintage Baseball Card Forum.....best regards |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: JimCrandell
Wesley, |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: Joe D.
and think of how powerful it would be if we emailed a grading company (with a link) and said: |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: JimCrandell
The problem with Leon's answer is that there are altered cards being sold all the time in and out of holders and the number is growing. |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: Sean C
I'd be glad to assist in any ways that I can. seanchristian@yahoo.com |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: leon
I mainly trust SGC for my 3rd party grading...as well as most of this board. My guess is they catch about 99.x% of the issues....I am not sure we will ever get better than that...Not with humans anyway. I like this discussion much better than yesterdays discussions....Also, I really like Joe's answer(s) on this thread... |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: barrysloate
Jim- I haven't given up or bailed out on anything. |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: JimCrandell
Leon, |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
"Does anybody disagree with this?" |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: barrysloate
Al- that's a well thought out response, and a very ambitious agenda. Can we really form a group to accomplish all those things? |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: Chad
That makes perfect sense to me--education and access to information is usually the best cure. And the internet obviously makes a project like this doable. So, where do we go from here? |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: JimCrandell
Al, |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: Bruce Dorskind
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Collector's Association
Posted By: JimCrandell
Bruce, I agree and I would certainly pay that. |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: Chad
I have no desire to join an association that's going to tell me what I can and can't do. I just want access to information and in turn I would gladly share whatever expertise and experience I might have. Anything more than that will get hopelessly bogged down. In my humble opinion of course. I like Al's gentler yet far reaching and powerful approach. Something like a Wikipedia for card collectors would be excellent. |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: barrysloate
There is nothing wrong with a membership fee. Most organizations do have them. |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: Bruce Dorskind
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Collector's Association
Posted By: Joe D.
feasibility |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: Chad
"If you want a kind, gentle association, then everyone can feel good and |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: T206Collector
I've been saying this for months -- Net54 is an internet watchdog for pre-war cards and SGC does a great job of identifying impermissible alterations. |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: JimCrandell
Either one would be a plus. |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: JimCrandell
T206 Collector, |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: Wesley
Is Bruce Dorskind spearheading this collectors' association effort? Just wondering. |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: Bobby Binder
Bruce and All, |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Ryan, am I the only one that notices the tongue-in-cheek manner of your initial posting? Can't be. |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: Steve f
Food for thought, how hard could it be? |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: Chad
"Ryan, am I the only one that notices the tongue-in-cheek manner of your initial posting? Can't be." |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: JimCrandell
Chad, |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: T206Collector
...that the best way to combat the ills you are so concerned about is by endorsing a grading company that provides money-backed guarantees for altered cards. Ultimately, you cannot police the dealers and the auction houses -- you have to police the cards themselves, which is what third-party grading is all about. But, without a money-backed guarantee, then you are left with a useless piece of plastic with a crooked number on the label. |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: Wesley
Jeff, Why do you think Ryan was not serious about saving this hobby? |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: leon
No you aren't....but I steered it in a positive manner, I think.... |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: JimCrandell
T206(sorry--honestly I forgot your name) |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: leon
For the record, personally, I don't think the hobby needs to be saved. I am still willing to help if I can. |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: Chad
But with all these threads the last couple of days, we haven't heard from Gil. Gil, where are you man? |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: JimCrandell
Leon, |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Your observation is not the only one..... |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: barrysloate
I really need to work today but let me throw out a few thoughts: |
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Collector's Association
Posted By: T206Collector
So what you need to do is cross those non-guaranteed cards over into guaranteed holders. The ones that won't cross can be sold to other PSA collectors -- there's plenty of them, and some say they will sell for more than SGC cards, so you should have no problem there. That way you can get your cards guaranteed and you won't have to worry about microtrimming anymore -- if SGC grades a microtrimmed card and you can prove it, they'll buy it back at full value. |
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