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Old 07-22-2023, 01:29 PM
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I spent too long passing on the cabinets; they are awesome but I love building sets and cabinets are mostly the exact opposite of set collecting. Let way too many go before I decided it was okay to get cool stuff that isn't part of a complete set to file into my spreadsheets.
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Well, you can build a 'set' for each photographer. My Sarony portraits are a favorite:




If you are a total glutton for punishment, go for the NY Illustrated News set:

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I only have one with a label like yours. It's a Newsboy. There seem to be a lot of these, but I haven't really looked into the number of different subjects.
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Old 07-24-2023, 07:14 PM
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I only have one with a label like yours. It's a Newsboy. There seem to be a lot of these, but I haven't really looked into the number of different subjects.
There's at least a few hundred subjects in the Newsboy series; but not a ton of different boxing poses. Partial gallery is here, from the non-sport side: http://www.moviecard.com/gallery/oth...acco/n566.html

An excellent breakdown of N566 is here: http://www.newsboys.co.uk
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eBay pickup: Frank Gotch Beagles PC
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eBay pickup: Frank Gotch Beagles PC
Sweet card!

What are Beagle Post Cards? When were they made? Were they all made at the same time or continuously like Exhibit cards? I have Bob Fitzsimmons, but know nothing about it.
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Sweet card!

What are Beagle Post Cards? When were they made? Were they all made at the same time or continuously like Exhibit cards? I have Bob Fitzsimmons, but know nothing about it.
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Beagles was a British company that produced or sponsored many many real photo postcards circa 1910. The time span was undoubtably broader, but most examples from boxing or wrestling I've seen have been right there. TPGs grade them and they really are quite stunning! Your Fitz fits into that time frame (see what I did there?). There are some great Jack Johnson issues that several of the board members have in their collections. Im sure folks know more than me.I'm

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There are four (five if you count Muldoon) boxing subjects in the Newsboy set (Corbett, Sullivan, Jackson, Fitzsimmons) BUT there are a ton of pose and mount variations (many minute), at least a few known uses of the cards as trade cards by other businesses, and some of the poses were issued on mounts of the photo studio (Campbell) that made them.
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Both Wills backs. Nice little set, and really cheap.
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I paid $765. I'm not sure if I overpaid a bit or not. It is the key card and a tough set that looks gorgeous, so I grabbed it. I think this means I have to build the set now. It's a shame this set is rare, I really love the lithography in this series and it would be nice if they were widely available.

Unclear if it went through eBay authentication or not, PSA didn't veto my deal but it didn't come with a slip, the paper certification, the sealed wrapper, the blue folding box or anything else; it was just the card loose in the box. Another complete waste of time, money and effort from this absurd program. Maybe PSA can't figure out if oversize SGC slabs are real slabs or not.
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I paid $765. I'm not sure if I overpaid a bit or not. It is the key card and a tough set that looks gorgeous, so I grabbed it. I think this means I have to build the set now. It's a shame this set is rare, I really love the lithography in this series and it would be nice if they were widely available.

Unclear if it went through eBay authentication or not, PSA didn't veto my deal but it didn't come with a slip, the paper certification, the sealed wrapper, the blue folding box or anything else; it was just the card loose in the box. Another complete waste of time, money and effort from this absurd program. Maybe PSA can't figure out if oversize SGC slabs are real slabs or not.


Great card from a great set. Back in the early 2000's I BIN'd a really clean set (or very close to it) of these on Ebay, and drove up to Albany, NY to pick them up at a card shop.

I think they sat there on Ebay for weeks before I pulled the trigger on them.

Sold them off shortly after. I don't think they are super rare, but I don't think I've had even another single since then.

I love the over-sized tobacco cards and the great litho work on them.
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Great card from a great set. Back in the early 2000's I BIN'd a really clean set (or very close to it) of these on Ebay, and drove up to Albany, NY to pick them up at a card shop.

I think they sat there on Ebay for weeks before I pulled the trigger on them.

Sold them off shortly after. I don't think they are super rare, but I don't think I've had even another single since then.

I love the over-sized tobacco cards and the great litho work on them.
A full set is a very rare find, that is awesome.

These are in the sweet spot of tough, I think. Tough enough that you have to hunt to get them (for example, there are 0 cards form this set on eBay right now at any price) but they are out there and building a set is a realistic goal rather than an exercise in futility like the super rare sets. They look better in hand, the larger size lends to the lithography. These and the N43's are probably the nicest art sets of boxers before the T9's, but like the T9's aren't always available. I'm up to 3 now after buying 2 as type cards (always dangerous, a type buy leads to a set build later...).
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So here's a mystery:

I found this in a collection of Victorian trade cards:



It is clearly cut from something. Blank backed. About the size of a baseball card, too thick for a cigar box label. Under a 100x microscope it is clearly a litho with metallic ink overlaid similar to a T220 silver

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I'm thinking you might be right about it being from a cigar label. I found this label that's sort of similar.
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Not a fan of 'fake' relics with material that really doesn't have anything to do with the subject, but I understand how difficult it is to do a set of subjects like this without them in the era where relics are expected as a necessary requirement for a set. I love the base cards and what Bar, Historic Autographs, etc. are trying to do. We're getting more history cards these days, and that's good. This Pieces of the Past set has cards of Sullivan and Jeffries. Picked up 2 of the Jeffries 1/1's (there are multiple colors that are limited to a single serialized copy making a rainbow almost impossible) for $9.99 each. Can't argue with that! I do the base sets and as many different parallels of the boxers as I can get.
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Picked this up today.
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$110 and change for the lot, which seemed good to me. The Cartledge Sullivan I counted as a freebie. Johnson has the two small holes and indications of being in one of those old albums that have the paper holding pictures in over all four corners but the image looked nice. The Burns Postcard is a British series with other boxers, I believe. Not really building the Wills set but figure it will be tough to get a Johnson cheaper than this once I eventually get around to it.

Tommy Burns is still underrated in my book. Tiny compared to the heavyweights he fought against, and unlike many of the old champions he was very active about actually defending his crown. He was also the first to really defend his title all over the western world. But he was the loser of the Johnson fight and thus the narrative.
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They say that Abe Attell did some bad things, rigging baseball World Series games and boxing fights both. Personally, I think punching his brother on card picture day was a lot meaner .

Happy to cross off a C. 1910 American boxing card need; it's getting a lot less common these days to find stuff I need which is sad for my soul and good for my wallet. I really wish these cards didn't portray the fighters as makeup wearing feminine fighters; the rest of the art is pretty good. Monte was a world champion in his own right.
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i dunno, I think the likenesses are pretty good



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They are good. They just didnít wear womenís makeup in real life as Philadelphia Caramel depicted its subjects in several of their sets.
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As far as we know...

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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I found this 11 x 14 Baer rotogravure over the weekend and had to pick it up



I've got a few of these type of prints now and they are pretty addictive. Too bad the print form is no longer practiced.
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Not sure who issued this one, but it was a good price. It came from England so it might not be American, but I would suspect it is.
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Looks like my UK CDV:



And aren't the four symbols in the coat of arms the four kingdoms of the UK?

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And aren't the four symbols in the coat of arms the four kingdoms of the UK?

Upon some squinting... So it is! I will make some tea to have while I look at it now
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From a local show. The red dotted line at top is not consistent with the album and extends further left than the red area of the poster does at all. The black printing mark on left is also not consistent with the album. I think this is one cut from an ad poster, not the album. Old boxing is basically non-existent at shows here so fun to see and get regardless. Edwards had been retired for 4 or 5 years when the card was produced, in a set of mostly active athletes.
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Yup, poster cut. Want some more? I have a partial set of them available.
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Yup, poster cut. Want some more? I have a partial set of them available.
We talked about them a couple months ago, that was a very nice lot you picked up.
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And a 'normal' Ginter, also from the show. I have not prioritized the Ginters as they are just a partial set instead of a full one I will build, I can't justify the enjoyment I get from the baseball players relative to their prices to do all 150 champions cards.
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Scored this one off the Bay for only ~$30. Normally back paper loss is one of the few conditions things I care about since I actually read the backs, but as the Ginters are all the same checklist I could care less about it for this issue. Nice front with good color + back paper loss is the Ginter bang for buck in my eyes.

Still need Carroll, Dempsey and Smith next I see them crop up at a fair price. Think I will pick up the marksman in the set too as I like that sport most of all, actually, there's just no cards to collect from it.
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We talked about them a couple months ago, that was a very nice lot you picked up.
Sure was. I went at it hard to get the N28 proof of Bauer:

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Some silver, and scored another pugilist cut this afternoon.
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Thanks to Marslife for this one, who sent it over just because he's awesome. 630 out of 632 possible T218's are in hand now. I have the hardest combinations done, only need Jack Goodman and Hatranft with Tolstoi backs to complete the master set. I am overpaying for those, hint hint folks .

Almost time to pick a nice binder or something and get these out of the box they are in and properly displayed without empty slots in the pages
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Each time I get to post one seems like it's probably the last time. 23 of the subject panels are now in hand. Choyinski is known extant and owned by someone else, and McAuliffe still unknown to exist (and if it does, likely even worse than this nearly destroyed Ryan as the bottom left area has the most damage of the sheet). This discovery completes the sheet layout, Ryan is the bottom right which necessitates that McAuliffe was originally the bottom left.

I thought this panel likely did not survive into the present day, but apparently it did and it was gotten rid of from the original dealer without hitting either of his sections of auctions. It's owner unfortunately passed away and the panel appeared via a dealer, who was kind enough to let it go to my rebuild of the sheet. I suspect my offer was well over what it would sell at to anyone else, but at this point in the project the buy price is not particularly important. Big thank you to the member who tipped me off so I could reunite it with the sheet.
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A 1/1/ and a 1/9 for my modern Sullivan collection. These relics are BS relics, but it's a Sullivan. The 2011 Goodwin is a nice one for me, most of the low numbered parallels effectively disappear forever a year or two after release.
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Another amazing pickup with the Tommy Ryan sheet Greg. Glad you found it.
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most of the low numbered parallels effectively disappear forever a year or two after release.
I've noticed that too. I stalled forever trying to complete the run of 2018 Leaf Metal Erroll Spence Jr. cards before I just quit. I'm probably just going to auction off the run I did get and be done with it.

It may be that I never had a chance because of inside sales to Leaf employees who somehow ended up with most of the 1/1 cards:

https://www.sportscardradio.com/bewa...rds-nscc-scam/

Could be BS--I don't know the site--but I haven't seen any of the cards of less than /4 for sale, except at the very beginning, and I do recall seeing the 1/1 for sale at a ridiculous price pre-pandemic then vanishing, so your point is well-taken.

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Two boxers for the price of one.
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That's Mario Galento, the wrestler, shown with Canera. Not Tony Galento, the boxer.
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That's Mario Galento, the wrestler, shown with Canera. Not Tony Galento, the boxer.
Geez, looks just like Tony. I know Two Ton did some wrestling too.
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Im not a Wrestling buff, but, I donít think itís Mario Galento. Sorry. It really does look like Two Ton Tony on top! 😬
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Im not a Wrestling buff, but, I don’t think it’s Mario Galento. Sorry. It really does look like Two Ton Tony on top! ��
I think you're right, it is Tony.

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That was my impression as well esp. given the write up on the back of the card.
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For another impossible rainbow, my 3rd 1/1 of the card/pose. At least this minor outfit, as far as I am aware, hasn't backdoored the parallels like Leaf. There are just so many colors and patterns done in a 1/1 that getting them all is basically not possible.
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A tough Kopec, freshly liberated from its slab. There's a corner crease that just doesn't like to appear in photos, inside or outside of the slab. Thank you to the board for this one!
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8/10 now that I'm trying. Smith was a heavyweight contender, some seemed to consider him the #1 challenger to Sullivan for a time.
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Another one sourced from the board. I will never get tired of Kung Fu Master Gans. Choyinski is the only real portrait in the set.

Both just happened to be incorrectly graded by PSA (I knew when I bought them and love 'em); Choyinski has a pencil mark in the upper right of the red backdrop and Gans is significantly short side to side. Gans routinely is found short side to side (related to sheet placement? Jordan in the top right corner is often found short top to bottom. Not all right side cards are routinely found undersized), I think this one is a natural factory cut.
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Went to an antique store today and added a nice original photo of Rocky Graziano. Owner of the store was telling fun stories of his father in law who was the manager of Tami Mauriello. Nice history lessons including Joe Louis and Frank Sinatra.

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Back to wrestling. Got first dibs on a huge 80ís-90ís collection yesterday. This piece is possibly my best wrestling find ever.

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