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[G1911]

Originally Posted by BCauley

Touché.

I did not see that one. Care to address the content?

I’m excited about it. I’d love for media to be held accountable for their lies. Bad news for MSNBC and CNN as well.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Trump-Russia Collusion, Michael Avenatti, Christine Blasey-Ford, Kyle Rittenhouse is a white supremacist, Jussie Smollett, 50 experts sign a piece of paper stating Hunter Biden's laptop is Russian disinformation, Afghanistan will hold out for several months, Ukraine will fall in three or four days, Covid-19 is from a wet market and absolutely not the Wuhan Lab, vaccinations are guaranteed to save you from the virus and from spreading it, six officers were murdered on January 6th, Michael Brown hands up don't shoot, Nick Sandmann-Nathan Phillips, masks save lives from the virus, mostly peaceful protests. What's the difference?

and the damages a question of degree, how many lifes impacted with all those things you mention, just because there are issues on both sides doesnt mean they are the same degree, you forget Trump Taxes shows undue influence, russian bounties, that trump banning tik tok is ludicrous, the border is secure, natural immunity means zero and all of the mystery sources on material that are given 100% legit by media and all of the out of context 'good people on both sides'

[irv]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Trump-Russia Collusion, Michael Avenatti, Christine Blasey-Ford, Kyle Rittenhouse is a white supremacist, Jussie Smollett, 50 experts sign a piece of paper stating Hunter Biden's laptop is Russian disinformation, Afghanistan will hold out for several months, Ukraine will fall in three or four days, Covid-19 is from a wet market and absolutely not the Wuhan Lab, vaccinations are guaranteed to save you from the virus and from spreading it, six officers were murdered on January 6th, Michael Brown hands up don't shoot, Nick Sandmann-Nathan Phillips, masks save lives from the virus, mostly peaceful protests. What's the difference?

It's like these people need to be in a constant aggrieved state. Just when one lie gets proven/called out, they just brush it off and are right on to the next one without skipping a beat.
I honestly don't know what it is? TDS or something else? Does CNN & MSNBC and other left leaning news sites have subliminal messaging that brainwashes/reprograms these people?
I think some are left with the realization that their own irrational fear and political alignment made them buy in and risk their children’s lives for no reason and possibly give them lifelong medical issues.
To admit that would be almost worse than doing it. Almost. To blame the people responsible would be like bashing their lifelong heroic oligarchs they feel are protecting them from evil.
What's amazing is some realize they have the reasoning skills and intellect to set themselves free once they admit fault or admit their beliefs were misguided but they deny themselves this because they can't, no matter what, admit they were duped.

It's hard to imagine this kind of nativity/ignorance/stupidity. It's simply mindboggling but yet they'll continue to vote them into office because they've been brainwashed so bad, they think/believe the other side is even worse.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by irv

It's like these people need to be in a constant aggrieved state. Just when one lie gets proven/called out, they just brush it off and are right on to the next one without skipping a beat.
I honestly don't know what it is? TDS or something else? Does CNN & MSNBC and other left leaning news sites have subliminal messaging that brainwashes/reprograms these people?
I think some are left with the realization that their own irrational fear and political alignment made them buy in and risk their children’s lives for no reason and possibly give them lifelong medical issues.
To admit that would be almost worse than doing it. Almost. To blame the people responsible would be like bashing their lifelong heroic oligarchs they feel are protecting them from evil.
What's amazing is some realize they have the reasoning skills and intellect to set themselves free once they admit fault or admit their beliefs were misguided but they deny themselves this because they can't, no matter what, admit they were duped.

It's hard to imagine this kind of nativity/ignorance/stupidity. It's simply mindboggling but yet they'll continue to vote them into office because they've been brainwashed so bad, they think/believe the other side is even worse.

I completely agree with you on the part I made bold. I wish those the absolute best on admitting that they have been brainwashed by social media.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I completely agree with you on the part I made bold. I wish those the absolute best on admitting that they have been brainwashed by social media.

Agreed. Many people seem to get brainwashed on social media and take conspiracies people say there as fact. Makes no sense.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Let me rephrase for you then - what percentage of scientists believe man’s burning of fossil fuels is causing an unnatural increase in temps that is harmful to the future survival of the human race? That better? Give me a percentage if you feel like looking it up. Otherwise see you at the pedo ring pizza parlor if the space lasers don’t get us first!

I think close to zero "scientists" are predicting the extinction of the human race. Any who are should be patients somewhere.

[irv]

Gaslit.
Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation in which the abuser attempts to sow self-doubt and confusion in their victim's mind. Typically, gaslighters are seeking to gain power and control over the other person, by distorting reality and forcing them to question their own judgment and intuition.
https://twitter.com/VigilantFox/stat...CzkZnNjbYtAAAA

[irv]

Matt Tiabbi, a Democrat voting journalist who viewed the Twitter files and was absolutely shocked by the censorship, the corruption and the 1st amendment violations he saw from the Democratic govt and their funded media regarding important covid information.
"THE GREAT COVID-19 LIE MACHINE"
https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1...Czqaug6rYtAAAA

[G1911]

Originally Posted by irv

Gaslit.
Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation in which the abuser attempts to sow self-doubt and confusion in their victim's mind. Typically, gaslighters are seeking to gain power and control over the other person, by distorting reality and forcing them to question their own judgment and intuition.
https://twitter.com/VigilantFox/stat...CzkZnNjbYtAAAA

Anecdote isn't data or proof of a real problem (every medication has, for someone somewhere, caused a negative reaction). Do we have a proper dataset of, say, myocarditis cases by year or broken down for young males? The VAERS reports seem to me to indicate there may be something here. Reuters debunk fact check of Twitter posts comically makes the case it is a real problem, stating that the vast majority of reports since 1990 are for this vaccine and downplaying it's importance because most of the diagnosed recovered fine. It also cites the FDA's claim that the benefit of being vaccinated in young children (who have a covid death rate of basically nothing) outweighs the excess myocarditis cases (which is, of course, admitting they are a thing) (https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N2SA1EN).

The CDC's site still seems to admit it is an issue, the focus on downplaying it but not denying https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ocarditis.html

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by Carter08

You said it all right there - couldn’t care less if it’s 110 percent. Focus on how to combat it, judge those that don’t combat it or are hypocritical about how they go about it. Denying it is flat out silly at this point.

Carter, you're being played by Cliff. Here is what he really believes about climate change.

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

I am absolutely convinced that you and people like you see Climate Change as a way of punishing, weakening, and controlling the people that you hate, the ones that voted for The Orange Meanie. There 7.6 billion people on earth and you are obsessed with 63 million of them. Do I believe that everything is fine on this planet of 7.6 billion people and that there aren't changes that must be done? Absolutely not. But what you and others like you see Climate Change as are two things, to gain more power and become even more wealthy, and in your particular case to use it as a tool against those that you have a hatred for. The photo is of your hero trying to get onto the wrong private jet, I guess if you fly on one every day you lose track of which one is yours.

Can't make that stuff up. We think climate change is real only so we can gain more power, become more wealthy, and punish, weaken, and control the people who voted for the "Orange Meanie." Think about that.

Cliff obviously thinks the discussion of climate change never happened before the "Orange Meanie."

That is who you are trying to have a discussion with.

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Calling someone out for repeatedly relying on Twitter seems fair game to me

There's also a reason Irv likes to rely on TWITter. There's something about TWITter that he identifies with.

[irv]

Originally Posted by G1911

Anecdote isn't data or proof of a real problem (every medication has, for someone somewhere, caused a negative reaction). Do we have a proper dataset of, say, myocarditis cases by year or broken down for young males? The VAERS reports seem to me to indicate there may be something here. Reuters debunk fact check of Twitter posts comically makes the case it is a real problem, stating that the vast majority of reports since 1990 are for this vaccine and downplaying it's importance because most of the diagnosed recovered fine. It also cites the FDA's claim that the benefit of being vaccinated in young children (who have a covid death rate of basically nothing) outweighs the excess myocarditis cases (which is, of course, admitting they are a thing) (https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N2SA1EN).

The CDC's site still seems to admit it is an issue, the focus on downplaying it but not denying https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ocarditis.html

They are still doing everything in their power to discredit and deny the vaccines have/had anything to do with all of these strokes, heart attacks and deaths.
Doctor's have been appointed up here, (by guess who), to be on a panel that investigates these vaccine injuries and deaths. Imagine what Carter's doctor would tell you or your loved ones if you had a heart attack or died?
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...ight-1.5946249
https://www.westernstandard.news/new...de2c5c4e9.html
I've read quite a few stories where people, who are requesting autopsies, are being denied under the guise of being understaffed and overworked, so, if true, will we ever find out the real numbers? It goes on and on but I know one thing, if it were the unvaccinated who were dying like we are seeing with the vaccinated, it would be on the news 24/7, guaranteed.
https://www.trillions.news/news/1687...e-Victims.html
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/d...ine-deaths-et/
https://www.globalresearch.ca/post-c...ed-why/5749994

[G1911]

Originally Posted by irv

They are still doing everything in their power to discredit and deny the vaccines have/had anything to do with all of these strokes, heart attacks and deaths.
Doctor's have been appointed up here, (by guess who), to be on a panel that investigates these vaccine injuries and deaths. Imagine what Carter's doctor would tell you or your loved ones if you had a heart attack or died?
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...ight-1.5946249
https://www.westernstandard.news/new...de2c5c4e9.html
I've read quite a few stories where people, who are requesting autopsies, are being denied under the guise of being understaffed and overworked, so, if true, will we ever find out the real numbers? It goes on and on but I know one thing, if it were the unvaccinated who were dying like we are seeing with the vaccinated, it would be on the news 24/7, guaranteed.
https://www.trillions.news/news/1687...e-Victims.html
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/d...ine-deaths-et/
https://www.globalresearch.ca/post-c...ed-why/5749994

I mean, it's very suspicious that they don't want to release anonymized autopsy data. Just as it was suspicious that they completely lied about what it does, evidently tested little, and immediately gave the makers broad immunity as they turned it into a political weapon to force injections. But suspicious behavior isn't proof; when there is smoke there is not always a fire. Can we prove a fire?

The vaccine has definitely harmed people and I think even those who believe anything the state says won't seriously try to deny this. The problem is that we need a basis of comparison - how large is the problem? Is it a serious problem, that this vaccine (which is not an actual vaccine and they struggle to even pretend it even functions as a vaccine anymore) is MORE dangerous than not taking it for people not in the at-risk groups? Is it similar danger? I don't know the answer. I haven't seem compelling data yet. There should be indicators in the data. I doubt there's any genuine study comparing myocarditis rates in the "vaccinated" and non-compliant population of young males, as to study that would risk finding something that harms their funding. But there should be indicators in the general population data, if, on the whole, it has created a significant spike in these categories, in myocarditis, strokes, heart attacks. Statistical proof, especially when the gatherers of the dataset want to produce the opposite conclusion, is difficult to deny and when it is denied it makes those doing it look like idiots. Singular examples of anecdote and suspicion are easy to deny or dismiss, because they aren't really proof at all. It's the same tactic the advocates of the fear narrative use - singular examples about people they know, about a particular case, because they know that the statistics, especially for those under 60 without 3+ comorbidities, do not make the case that there is much to fear at all.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by irv

They are still doing everything in their power to discredit and deny the vaccines have/had anything to do with all of these strokes, heart attacks and deaths.
Doctor's have been appointed up here, (by guess who), to be on a panel that investigates these vaccine injuries and deaths. Imagine what Carter's doctor would tell you or your loved ones if you had a heart attack or died?
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...ight-1.5946249
https://www.westernstandard.news/new...de2c5c4e9.html
I've read quite a few stories where people, who are requesting autopsies, are being denied under the guise of being understaffed and overworked, so, if true, will we ever find out the real numbers? It goes on and on but I know one thing, if it were the unvaccinated who were dying like we are seeing with the vaccinated, it would be on the news 24/7, guaranteed.
https://www.trillions.news/news/1687...e-Victims.html
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/d...ine-deaths-et/
https://www.globalresearch.ca/post-c...ed-why/5749994

Irv, do you think more people died “from the vaccine” or died from covid because covid because they did not get the vaccine? Just wondering.

[Republicaninmass]

With it or from it? Everyone who took the vaccine and died...died with it. Where are those numbers

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

With it or from it? Everyone who took the vaccine and died...died with it. Where are those numbers

There are many peer reviewed studies showing that a death outcome was severely reduced if you were vaccinated. That a number of vaccinated people died does not prove your “point.” I have offered to share these. If you have a peer reviewed article that shows otherwise I have repeatedly asked for it. A link to Twitter or a ticket Carlson monologue does not qualify. Thanks in advance.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Carter08

There are many peer reviewed studies showing that a death outcome was severely reduced if you were vaccinated. That a number of vaccinated people died does not prove your “point.” I have offered to share these. If you have a peer reviewed article that shows otherwise I have repeatedly asked for it. A link to Twitter or a ticket Carlson monologue does not qualify. Thanks in advance.

Looking to find

Anyone who died "with" Covid

Vs

Anyone who does "with" the vaccine


You are welcome

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Looking to find

Anyone who died "with" Covid

Vs

Anyone who does "with" the vaccine


You are welcome

Makes no sense. Not surprising.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Makes no sense. Not surprising.

Would require a double digit IQ.


People died of old age, comorbidities, and car accidents but they still died "with" ( after taking for the simpletons) the vaccine.

If it was fair to include the same deaths "with" Covid numbers, why not "with" vaccine numbers?

...not to is just duplicitous

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Would require a double digit IQ.


People died of old age, comorbidities, and car accidents but they still died "with" ( after taking for the simpletons) the vaccine.

If it was fair to include the same deaths "with" Covid numbers, why not "with" vaccine numbers?

...not to is just duplicitous

The question is rather simply - how many people died on a ventilator or otherwise from covid that would not have done so if they had taken the vaccine versus how many people died of adverse results from taking the vaccine. Scientists are studying this. Their results will probably be far over your head. And if you understand them they will just be part of a conspiracy. If you went to medical school instead of Twitter school I imagine you would realize the vaccine was safe and effective…right before failing out.

[BCauley]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Trump-Russia Collusion, Michael Avenatti, Christine Blasey-Ford, Kyle Rittenhouse is a white supremacist, Jussie Smollett, 50 experts sign a piece of paper stating Hunter Biden's laptop is Russian disinformation, Afghanistan will hold out for several months, Ukraine will fall in three or four days, Covid-19 is from a wet market and absolutely not the Wuhan Lab, vaccinations are guaranteed to save you from the virus and from spreading it, six officers were murdered on January 6th, Michael Brown hands up don't shoot, Nick Sandmann-Nathan Phillips, masks save lives from the virus, mostly peaceful protests. What's the difference?

So, again, not going to address the content?

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by BCauley

So, again, not going to address the content?

I'm not on the jury, whatever happens happens. What do you want me to say? If FOX News is forced off the air it won't change my views one iota, I'll just have to watch something else from 8 PM to Midnight.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

I'm not on the jury, whatever happens happens. What do you want me to say? If FOX News is forced off the air it won't change my views one iota, I'll just have to watch something else from 8 PM to Midnight.

Remember the 2016 election denial that was pumped by the other channels?

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by G1911

Remember the 2016 election denial that was pumped by the other channels?

I imagine the Dominion-FOX News trial is taking place in New York City. I don’t need to say anymore than that.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

I imagine the Dominion-FOX News trial is taking place in New York City. I don’t need to say anymore than that.

The trial is taking place in Delaware:
https://courts.delaware.gov/Opinions...aspx?id=329310.

So Cliff, do you actually willingly watch Fox News?

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

The trial is taking place in Delaware:
https://courts.delaware.gov/Opinions...aspx?id=329310.

So Cliff, do you actually willingly watch Fox News?

Thanks for correcting me on where the trial is taking place, Delaware is just as bad. Do I willingly watch FOX News? Like I said in the other post every weeknight 8 PM to Midnight. The only way I would watch or listen to the "news" on MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, or NPR is like this guy.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Thanks for correcting me on where the trial is taking place, Delaware is just as bad. Do I willingly watch FOX News? Like I said in the other post every weeknight 8 PM to Midnight. The only way I would watch or listen to the "news" on MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, or NPR is like this guy.

A 4 hour dose of Fox News per day. That's really something.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Thanks for correcting me on where the trial is taking place, Delaware is just as bad. Do I willingly watch FOX News? Like I said in the other post every weeknight 8 PM to Midnight. The only way I would watch or listen to the "news" on MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, or NPR is like this guy.

Have you tried twitter, facebook, Youtube, or Tic Tok? I hear a lot of good reviews form their viewers.

Eddie Bravo recommends X22 report and sgt report for the real truth. Not sure what they actually are but could be worth a look.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Have you tried twitter, facebook, Youtube, or Tic Tok? I hear a lot of good reviews form their viewers.

Eddie Bravo recommends X22 report and sgt report for the real truth. Not sure what they actually are but could be worth a look.

Tucker Carlson is just Joe Rogan being an Optimist /s

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

A 4 hour dose of Fox News per day. That's really something.

Half of the content of those shows is insane clips from MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, and NPR.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Have you tried twitter, facebook, Youtube, or Tic Tok? I hear a lot of good reviews form their viewers.

Eddie Bravo recommends X22 report and sgt report for the real truth. Not sure what they actually are but could be worth a look.

Who is Eddie Bravo? Never even go on any of those sites you mentioned. ETA: correction, I am on YouTube all of the time, that’s how I watch the FOX News shows but I don’t watch any other political shows on it.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Tucker Carlson is just Joe Rogan being an Optimist /s

Back in the day I couldn't get high enough to watch Beavis and Butthead and I would rather watch them than Joe any day.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

A 4 hour dose of Fox News per day. That's really something.

I watch it sometimes for comedic purposes and don’t really watch left leaning news on tv. 4 hours of Fox seems excessive though. Come back to the light.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Who is Eddie Bravo? Never even go on any of those sites you mentioned.

Eddie is a complete nut job conspiracy theorist. He is funny to watch if you view his POV as comedy.

[Cliff Bowman]

Name a nutjob conspiracy I have espoused here, if you want to say that I have said repeatedly that Climate Change is a hoax and a scam that is perfectly fine, I will say it again. ETA, this is to Ben, I forgot to add his quote.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

Name a nutjob conspiracy I have espoused here, if you want to say that I have said repeatedly that Climate Change is a hoax and a scam that is perfectly fine, I will say it again. ETA, this is to Ben, I forgot to add his quote.

Like I clearly posted it is funny to watch. Do you hate comedy? Even if the person you are laughing at is being serious it just makes it funnier to me.

[Cliff Bowman]

I haven’t said a word on the Ukraine-Russia war, whether or not the Covid 19 vaccines do any harm, or the 2020 election, but I will admit some of my views on Climate Change have reached nutjob conspiracy territory and I should have thought before I hit the send button but I still believe it’s a scam concerning the high profile proponents of it without mentioning any names.

[ALR-bishop]

This is a great thread

[Republicaninmass]

Still 100k less views than the "will you get vaxxed thread"


Surprising

[ALR-bishop]

You folks need to try harder

[irv]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

You folks need to try harder

Well, these folks sure are. They amazingly have new data that no one ever seen or heard of before. LOL. MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, and NPR, and ours up here, all telling the public the same story.
Anything to deflect attention away from big govt, big pharma and Fauci. They'll stoop/deflect until they are ensured all the sheep, (which won't take long, evidently) have lapped it up.
Crazy times we are in.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/20...t-lead-vpx.cnn
https://www.npr.org/2023/03/18/11645...s-wuhan-market
https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news...s-165547589838
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/16/s...-lab-leak.html

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by irv

Well, these folks sure are. They amazingly have new data that no one ever seen or heard of before. LOL. MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, and NPR, and ours up here, all telling the public the same story.
Anything to deflect attention away from big govt, big pharma and Fauci. They'll stoop/deflect until they are ensured all the sheep, (which won't take long, evidently) have lapped it up.
Crazy times we are in.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/20...t-lead-vpx.cnn
https://www.npr.org/2023/03/18/11645...s-wuhan-market
https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news...s-165547589838
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/16/s...-lab-leak.html

This may be your first post that made sense to me! The links don't destroy my computer and they support your point. I agree with you. It will take A LOT to convince many people that it came from Wuhan but somehow did not come from the Wuhan coronavirus lab. Not say it's impossible that it came from something else -- I wasn't there -- but Occam's razor would point to the lab.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by irv

Well, these folks sure are. They amazingly have new data that no one ever seen or heard of before. LOL. MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, and NPR, and ours up here, all telling the public the same story.
Anything to deflect attention away from big govt, big pharma and Fauci. They'll stoop/deflect until they are ensured all the sheep, (which won't take long, evidently) have lapped it up.

Maybe those "news" networks can take a break from trying to cover for the CCP and accompany OJ Simpson on his indefatigable search for the real killers of Nicole and Ron on the golf courses and in five star restaurants.

[tpeichel]

Originally Posted by G1911

I mean, it's very suspicious that they don't want to release anonymized autopsy data. Just as it was suspicious that they completely lied about what it does, evidently tested little, and immediately gave the makers broad immunity as they turned it into a political weapon to force injections. But suspicious behavior isn't proof; when there is smoke there is not always a fire. Can we prove a fire?

The vaccine has definitely harmed people and I think even those who believe anything the state says won't seriously try to deny this. The problem is that we need a basis of comparison - how large is the problem? Is it a serious problem, that this vaccine (which is not an actual vaccine and they struggle to even pretend it even functions as a vaccine anymore) is MORE dangerous than not taking it for people not in the at-risk groups? Is it similar danger? I don't know the answer. I haven't seem compelling data yet. There should be indicators in the data. I doubt there's any genuine study comparing myocarditis rates in the "vaccinated" and non-compliant population of young males, as to study that would risk finding something that harms their funding. But there should be indicators in the general population data, if, on the whole, it has created a significant spike in these categories, in myocarditis, strokes, heart attacks. Statistical proof, especially when the gatherers of the dataset want to produce the opposite conclusion, is difficult to deny and when it is denied it makes those doing it look like idiots. Singular examples of anecdote and suspicion are easy to deny or dismiss, because they aren't really proof at all. It's the same tactic the advocates of the fear narrative use - singular examples about people they know, about a particular case, because they know that the statistics, especially for those under 60 without 3+ comorbidities, do not make the case that there is much to fear at all.

Exactly the reason for having a control group in clinical studies. I can’t believe they offered the vaccine to the control group after three months. I can’t believe the FDA approved this knowing there was no control group.

They triex every trick in the book to hide the truth, but they can’t hide the bodies.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by tpeichel

Exactly the reason for having a control group in clinical studies. I can’t believe they offered the vaccine to the control group after three months. I can’t believe the FDA approved this knowing there was no control group.

They triex every trick in the book to hide the truth, but they can’t hide the bodies.

Only excuse for such trickery would be if we were facing an health crisis and the president had asked them to do it. Other than that…

[G1911]

Originally Posted by tpeichel

Exactly the reason for having a control group in clinical studies. I can’t believe they offered the vaccine to the control group after three months. I can’t believe the FDA approved this knowing there was no control group.

They triex every trick in the book to hide the truth, but they can’t hide the bodies.

Well control groups are bad now because.... the state said so or something. Amazing how the appeal to authority science believers will justify the lack of actual science here or anywhere it is inconvenient to the things they want to believe. No sincere effort was made to determine what this vaccine even actually does, and much effort made to obfuscate and to prevent any honest appraisal. They rushed it, made sure no real study was done, got exempted from legal responsibility, and will continue to rake in a fortune from this vaccine that clearly is not an actual vaccine at all. I liked when the left was against big Pharma.

That doesn't mean it is actually harmful though. That it is untested, that the state and science, the institution and not the method, lied again and again and again and again doesn't make any and all counter claims true. This is where the right gets tripped up. If A is provably false, the most extreme opposite position is not necessarily true. Do we have evidence that the vaccine is killing in significant quantity? We might, but I haven't seen it yet.

[irv]

Originally Posted by G1911

Well control groups are bad now because.... the state said so or something. Amazing how the appeal to authority science believers will justify the lack of actual science here or anywhere it is inconvenient to the things they want to believe. No sincere effort was made to determine what this vaccine even actually does, and much effort made to obfuscate and to prevent any honest appraisal. They rushed it, made sure no real study was done, got exempted from legal responsibility, and will continue to rake in a fortune from this vaccine that clearly is not an actual vaccine at all. I liked when the left was against big Pharma.

That doesn't mean it is actually harmful though. That it is untested, that the state and science, the institution and not the method, lied again and again and again and again doesn't make any and all counter claims true. This is where the right gets tripped up. If A is provably false, the most extreme opposite position is not necessarily true. Do we have evidence that the vaccine is killing in significant quantity? We might, but I haven't seen it yet.

And you won't see the numbers, at least not yet anyways, and my hopes are dim we ever will.
Not sure what is being spread stateside but up here they are making every excuse in the book to justify/explain the increase in sudden death/mortality rates.
Heart attack and stroke season. Who knew? Even this funded doctor, (who I'm surprised they didn't edit out) admitted he never heard of such a thing.
https://twitter.com/thevivafrei/stat...25564802826241
https://twitter.com/BLNewsMedia/stat...C8-aWc258tAAAA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG43CFvAq3Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIUaG25EFjM
https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/sta...DS_fr6-fIsAAAA

[G1911]

Originally Posted by irv

And you won't see the numbers, at least not yet anyways, and my hopes are dim we ever will.
Not sure what is being spread stateside but up here they are making every excuse in the book to justify/explain the increase in sudden death/mortality rates.
Heart attack and stroke season. Who knew? Even this funded doctor, (who I'm surprised they didn't edit out) admitted he never heard of such a thing.
https://twitter.com/thevivafrei/stat...25564802826241
https://twitter.com/BLNewsMedia/stat...C8-aWc258tAAAA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG43CFvAq3Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIUaG25EFjM
https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/sta...DS_fr6-fIsAAAA

For sake of argument let's assume it is true that this 'vaccine' is very harmful. Science, cultural, and political institutions and their adherents can not possibly ever admit that they forced injections of an untested drug that turned out to kill thousands of healthy young men who were at basically 0% risk of dying from Covid in the first place. Studies won't be done, or they will be constructed in such a way as to dictate the outcome. If it is false, this is exactly what would happen as well. The response given to this claim will be the same without any regard to actual fact whatsoever.


Link 1: A stroke season. That's news to me lol.

Link 2: This is anecdote. Anecdote isn't proof; though in a normal world repeated anecdote in large quantity like this would lead to a genuine inquiry - to test the claim using proper controls and an unbiased test. This is what will never actually happen.

Link 3: That a video or statement is hosted on YouTube, Twitter, Facebook does not, obviously, invalidate the video as much as people want to screech that. The raw video of Parliament would be better than this guys analysis and chosen clips. The video of the statements doesn't really answer where the excess deaths come from, ideas are thrown about to explain why it is that excess deaths are over Covid deaths. This doesn't even allege though, that it is the vaccine. His thesis is just that there is lots of excess deaths and the government isn't even seriously trying to explain it. That much is true. That doesn't mean the vaccine is the cause though. It could be many other things; people hiding in their basement for three years in panic of a disease posing most of them near 0 risk is surely very unhealthy. People did not get cancer screenings, proper exercise, etc. for much of 2020 and a significant chunk of the population is still living like the Black Plague is about to kill them, at least in leftist ares.


Link 4: This is good. This alleges in the testimony that there are multiple scientific studies showing the excess mortality rate is higher in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. Do you have these studies or where to get them? If there is a 52% increased mortality risk over Covid itself, that's proof of your claim. Again, that the testimony video is on YouTube does not make the testimony false.


Link 5: This is a different issue, on which I think we 100% agree. Again, a video being hosted on Twitter does not invalidate the video. The comments and such are junk but a video either is or is not the video of the event. A News clipping is not invalid because of the hosting platform, as any leftist will accept if the video clip furthers a leftist narrative. The so-called vaccine does not, obviously, have much of any statistical value to most people. The reduction in absolute risk is almost 0, using the official state-sanctioned data. It doesn't really address whether strokes actually are significantly increased.


At the end of the day, we should stick with what can be proven, and seek the proof for claims, whether or not the actual truth suits our politics or the agenda of institutions or whether it makes posters we rage at happy or unhappy. For a non political example, if person A points at a yellow car and says it is black, that is untrue. But if person B then says no, it is white, that is also untrue. The most opposite claim to a false claim is not always true. Link 4 might lead to some facts here. That's where to go, pull those studies and see if they show what is alleged here in the testimony. If it does, you've got actual proof, from a scientific study and you'll get to watch everyone else's argument get even more illogical.

[tpeichel]

Originally Posted by G1911

Well control groups are bad now because.... the state said so or something. Amazing how the appeal to authority science believers will justify the lack of actual science here or anywhere it is inconvenient to the things they want to believe. No sincere effort was made to determine what this vaccine even actually does, and much effort made to obfuscate and to prevent any honest appraisal. They rushed it, made sure no real study was done, got exempted from legal responsibility, and will continue to rake in a fortune from this vaccine that clearly is not an actual vaccine at all. I liked when the left was against big Pharma.

That doesn't mean it is actually harmful though. That it is untested, that the state and science, the institution and not the method, lied again and again and again and again doesn't make any and all counter claims true. This is where the right gets tripped up. If A is provably false, the most extreme opposite position is not necessarily true. Do we have evidence that the vaccine is killing in significant quantity? We might, but I haven't seen it yet.

Have you seen the data analysis from Edward Dowd?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Only excuse for such trickery would be if we were facing an health crisis and the president had asked them to do it. Other than that…

Another serious post. ^^Isn't this exactly what happened?^^

I live in an area that the virus WAS killing people. Not just the old and sick but everyone of all ages. My younger brother still has problems from covid and he never took any vaccine to blame it on.

I personally took the first shot and one booster and unknowingly was around others with it and never got the virus or got it so mildly I never knew it.

The part I find the craziest is all those that think when something new that WAS killing people happened we had the time to do all these trials while people DIED. It is what is it and nobody held anyone down and made them take anything. It was a choice that we each had to make for ourselves.

Any of you that post about this subject and what should have been done please post exactly what will happen in your life over the next year. Then if you get a single thing wrong the rest of us can call you names and say how fricken stupid you are.

In real life I do not know a single person the vaccine hurt. I personally know several that are very happy they took it. Not saying the vaccine didn't hurt anyone as taking an asprin can and will kill/harm some.

OK end of serious rant.